This isnt real life tho. Its a computer game. Reasoning that you would just hit someone when you found them annoying isn't very mature or responsible. Thats just as wrong or worse than what they are doing. Two wrongs don't make a right.
I didn't say I go around hitting people that annoy me, I have however done it most times I feel someone has wronged me.
And even though it is a computer game, it STILL IS real life, played by real people, in a real world, we are not dreaming or having nightmares here, and so it affects people even more because they can't take control as they could face to face.
A fact? I doubt that, why don't you and the 10 or so people that can be bothered make your own league where zippo and crash are banned and go play in that?
My point here was a counter on something you said, which was about not being immature as to go to another pub, the reference was we cannot just easily decide to go to another league, because there are none, I think you picked me up wrong on this?
its being sensitive because yes i'll moan, i'll get annoyed, but im over it within half an hour or so. But your obviously not as you still take the time to write essays on what TuS should do because you can't handle their attitude. Im not arguing against deleting posts, locking topics. I personally think the ingame chats should not be displayed. That would prevent alot of things because at the moment its so easy to scroll down and read the "asd asd asd" flooding, i doubt half of the people on zippo's back would take the time to download all his replays just to watch his reaction to how he lost a game. If they did then maybe they have too much time on their hands.
Im arguing against someone getting banned because they have a bad reputation and are disliked. That is banning someone based on opinions. Not with regards to the rule book of schemes. Ive always been against people being banned from leagues unless they are caught cheating. Most cases people have been banned from allaising. I would argue with kiros and neary got myself banned plenty of times to try and get ropa unbanned there because he was my friend. Zippo and crash are not my friends, but i still don't think its right to ban just because they act like children when they lose. We are all different ages, have different personalilites and different ways of dealing with our emotions. Accept them for who they are. Idiots prehaps, but not cheats or people that deserve to have a service taken away from them which they clearly enjoy just as much as you.
I am not as bothered as you think I am, I personally have still talked to Zippo, even after saying I am fed up with him, I personally too get a little frustrated but it goes away very very fast...
You are totally wrong with associating the way FB banned people with what would happen if TuS banned Zippo for his persistant actions and attitude, you cannot say it will end up the same especially since you can't see the future for starters, we all know FB took banning people WAY out of proportion, and I know for a fact TuS would never do this.
Maybe im sensitive, i won't deny that but i consider myself liberal. More justice, harder rules and controlling the freedom of speech are all bad things in my view. Im an ex crusty has been raver hippy and i say lets all just get along. People provoke zippo and crash. Hell. Ive provoked crash loads of times just to piss him off. I did the same with beer aswell. Im not a saint, and nor are you, avi, and anyone else arguing for them to be banned. Even SPW and random00 have their moments when they lose clanners. No one is prefect here. We aren't all angles and we do fed the trolls. The whole topic has been hyped up. I like playing zippo and crash just to see them cry when they lose. Maybe if you have problems because you want to release your anger that they cause you then be more productive with that anger and own them next time you play them at tus. Im sure if they lose some more games it would knock them down a couple of notches on their ladders. Hell crash avoids me and does not play me in tus because hes scared to elite me and doesn't think risking to win 35 points of my lower rating is enough to attempt to play me. But look, you don't see me asking for him to be banned. I made a thread in complaints just to shame him, it worked. But you can't force people to play you and you can't force people to behave in a way we want them to. When you start to enforce things on people. It becomes dangerous. Go read 1984 and see if you want TuS to become the next FB!? ha. (no offense to FB)
Like you, I am just defending what I believe is right, now I like you Tom, I really do, we go way back, so please DO NOT take this next statement to heart, it's just what I feel would really happen, I respect the fact you wish everyone could just get along, and that you think more justice harder rules and controlling the freedom of speech are bad things, I really respect your opinion, the only reason we get away with this is because we are spoiled in our countrys, in some countrys acting the way Zippo does could literally gets people killed, and by this I don't mean whining a bit because he loses a game, I am talking about the way he totally disrespects people and some comments he specifically makes.
I know you wish we could all get along, most people think that, but you need to have some backbone and make tough choices to benefit things sometime, I know you are saying this, but i've seen you saying stuff worse than "they should get banned" over the years I have known you, but with those things you said, you have mostly had good reason to say them, just like we have good reason to think Zippo and Crash should be banned for a while, especially Zippo, so for that part you are somewhat a Hypocrit.
For the last time, I know no one is perfect here, but it is more than obvious who the worst 2 are.
It's not our fault some people have been raised up and grown to be able to take this amount of crap from people and live with it, right now, and no offence, you are making it come across to me as you one of those people that would witness someone at school or a workplace being bullied or continously harassed and do nothing about it because it doesn't bother you personally, or walking one day and seeing some poor helpless person being mugged or raped and either be too scared to help them, or just don't care.
Now I know you are thinking, what's this got to do with someone on a game being banned for being a twat?!? However it is somehow the same train of thought, just because it doesn't directly affect you, or bother you that Zippo/Crash are 2 extremely annoying persistant cheap "anything-for-the-win" insultive ignorant arrogant immature pests, doesn't mean what they are doing isn't bad enough to deserve a ban or at least some sort of punishment for their actions, if we didn't have rules and laws to follow, it would be chaotic.
I have already said, if they won't be banned, some sort of punishment SHOULD take place, you can't let people get away with acting like this no matter where when and how if it bothers so many people.
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