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Yeah Breeze, you have no idea what MI has tolerated over the years, show a little respect huh? The guy does all this for free remember, and he does a great job...
ShyGuy, I wanna ask you something, this has nothing to do with Hysteria being in Classic, but the scheme itself.
One of your main arguements against Hysteria about being "competitively flawed" is being punished for a good shot right?
Good Hysteria players are fully aware of the tactics and if you attack someone in Hysteria and enable them to use this advantage against you, it wasn't a good shot, it was a bad idea, this is why alot of players use the common tactic of trying to attack the worms with more HP, or attacking them with precise damage to leave them alive while trying to avoid jetfall damage/tele-grave damage.
The only reasonable counter I can think against what I just said is something like, what is the point of attacking worms yet not trying to kill them, killing a worm shouldn't put you at a "disadvantage". There is more than 1 thing I would then say to this, the 1st would probably be that this is WA remember, alot of stupid/funny/unlucky/lucky things happen it was a game originally designed I am guessing to entertain, not for competitive purposes to the level of skill we see today...
Secondly, I sometimes kill a worm, even if it causes me to get piled and it may look like a disadvantage, but in my mind, I am bringing their worms out making them easier to attack, plus if I see a worm that has the strongest point on the map I will try and battle for this spot even if it risks losing a worm or 2 because it really helps for 1v1/SD.
Also, it isn't like you aren't trying to kill them, you do need to kill all worms to win right, but it's good to try and get all worms to a comfortable killing HP then finish them off. I think it's a bad idea to kill any worm in Hysteria until all worms have 40hp or less, so if they pile you, it's easy to kill them and you will win if you have more worms...
I actually think piling doesn't really give any advantage in Hysteria if the opponent knows the scheme inside-out and is prepared.
*End of question*
I would like to see 5s or 6s SD time in Hysteria, but this is the only change I would like to see to this scheme, i've tried alot of other versions of Hysteria, and I feel the one TuS has now is the best i've personally ever played, I don't like random turn order version, because I simply do not like random events in competitive games, I don't like not being able to come up with a solid plan of known future events, that's my problem though, I don't like the worm select version either because it's sometimes impossible to have a comeback if there are horrible placements, I don't like worm select with manual placements because then it does just become a BnG with no rules at all...
ShyGuy, I know you are right, attacking something with a perfect shot shouldn't put you at a disadvantage, but I feel like you can't use this point based on things i've said in this post, and other things that have said in the past, I feel like being at a disadvantage is something out of your control, but in Hysteria we are aware of the consequences and the tactics and we can control this with skill and experience, and I mean both players from both sides of the coin.
I want you to stop thinking I am just sitting here trolling you, and I don't understand etc... I really do understand this scheme inside out, I know what "being worthy of skilled competition" requires & I definitely understand the points you have made and I innocently disagree with them, I post in a debate against you and I feel there is no reason for you to take it personally, you always end up debating about how the other guy is debating, how he is using the words he is using... It doesn't matter how I debate or the words I use, I am focused on the future of what has actually been one of my favourite scheme for the past 3-4 years, I reply to the things you say about the scheme with my honest opinion and belief, and then you reply with accusations of me being a mad man, what's fact and what's opinion, I can't debate I can't read properly or whatever you've said in the past...
How about, if you honestly feel that way about one of my posts, instead of telling me what you think I have done wrong, or if I have misjudged you, just give me the answer or the solution or try it again with different words...
I am asking you, please read what I say, give it a chance, reply to it calmly, be honest and try and make me think I am wrong, because trust me, if you can do that I will do everything I can to encourage this scheme be removed from Classic, or improved/altered.
I am fed up arguing with guys I have known for years & actually respect, about the way we are using the English language...
1 side of this debate must be right, and it is obviously now more important than ever that this scheme is resolved 1 way or another, 40%/60% is too close, I am really shocked with the results and I feel something fishy is going on because I don't believe that 40% deep down honestly don't want this league in Classic, because the statistics of TuS definitely don't support that... But it still can't be ignored.
For me, as i've said already, all I would change about Hysteria is reduce the Sudden Death time to 5s or 6s, but perhaps there is an idea that hasn't been thought yet that we may all agree on?
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