Last clanner playoff was 4 seasons ago. Time to do something?

[zippeurfou]

Hi,
I was just checking when was the last season we had clanner playoff and it was 4 season ago. I don't recall having such a low activity/interest for clanner playoffs in the worms history..
I agree that people move on and I am the first to be inactive. Nevertheless, I think that clanner always was the fuel for single. People would look for clanner and go to single while waiting for another clan to pop in. To be honest, I am starting to worry about this game and the decision we took. I am very happy that we included money but I see a direct impact on clanner which could theoretically lead to a situation worse than before the introduction of money.Let me explain it with a very  simplistic approach.
I believe that meeting 'friends' on WA retains player to a very high extend. Actually, maybe way more than any other online games (that I know so far) because the community is small and you learn to know everyone. That is why clan are so important because it 'forces' you to meet/play with new people (and not against, so you have to work together). If you remove that, you remove the 'community building' part of the game and this game is just like any other game. Think of the state of wwp right now. Why isn't there a community that is being build right now even if we 'old' player moved to WA? What keep us is the community. What  keep the community is I believe in big part clan that let new player join their clan and being introduced to everyone. The problem with the introduction of money is that it weaken clan when they never have been that weak.
It came with the best intention but maybe it wasn't the best time to do it and I wonder how active will be TUS once all this money price will stop. And we are back with single without a clan league.
When fighting against money, there is not much to do. The only thing you can do is fight back with money.
Therefore, I am ready to give $100 for clanner league if we can reach $500 that would make clanner attractive enough. One condition though, would be to reduce the PO requirement because we first need activity before speaking of being competitive. We need to have people think: 'hey, I am not the best player in single but maybe I can create a clan and still get "some" money'.
However, I am aware that it is meaningless because as long as single league get money, we will have to give clanner money or people will stop playing it.
What are your thought? Would you join me in the 'clanner must not die' strike?

[Impossible]

we may try to put all money in clanners instead of singles in the next season (#41) to see whats gonna  happen..
for instance i would reborn sX or focus on the new clan

[rU`]

:/

[Aerox]

I've said this a million times, but maybe it was too subtle.

This whole f@#!ing website is built around the idea of welcome everyone with open arms. Good in theory if it was just that. Until the bias became clearly in favor of traditional newbies. And winning and elitism was frown upon.

You start embracing the casual bullshit like hysteria, obscure scheme cups whilst the actual cult to the real gladiators slowly fades away. We had awards how many times, once? Who looks at players profiles? Who'se gonna give a f@#! about trophies when there's one for every little shit.

What's left? A bunch of average players using this as a secondary Facebook (with all the community and stuff, another good shit in theory, but it's not being fully used at all, it's just there, home decor). And the actual winners are bored of winning because it's not even embraced. Result? Competitors, they gone.

And now everyone is into dishing money the hipocrisy makes me sick.

You didn't give no money when people where actually competing, because you where happy enough with the traffic, now you desperate.

Saying all this makes me sad, honest, but it's like you guys don't realize you're at fault, every single one of you stupid hysteria faggots that haven't even learned to rope with style and where never interested in clanners because the third time you got your ass handed out to you you either started avoiding or picking bullshit schemes.

TUS, you need to die with dignity.

edit: I almost feel like an asshole for saying this, all the work that was put in for free yadda yadda yaddadoo, but what's left? There's no reason to continue digging if all radars pick up is more sand on the bottom.

[Maciej]

I regret about clanners too, that's my true love in worms! There are played only 2 clanners in this season so far... (btw, any CKC up for clanner???)

And I absolutely agree with Aerox (Ropa?). TUS became one, huge place of socialism, pf, even communism. I remember old leagues. Everyone was checking standings, playoffs. The winner had great respect and it was really worth it. Everyone dreamt about being best. There were clans in which everyone wanted belong to. There was ONE trophy which everyone dreamt to gain one day. Nowadays there are no more 'authorities' which newbies want to imitate and playing with them become better and better. There are no more legendary clans. There are some picies of shit like mentioned no-skill hysteria. There are cups, there are tourneys, there is free league. For everything you gain trophy. These all trophies are worth nothing. Now everyone can have them (even I got 2 medals - for being best in bng and rope race in season 20, lol). People play TRL, HAL, TEL, free - everyone feels he's a real pro. No longer cares about the Champion, because... who the hell is champion now? I don't even know who won last season, because it means nothing, it's worth NOTHING nowadays. There were legendary players like lyte, MrE or clans like ktc, LoR. Nowadays only players like Chelsea who has been playing for about 8 years and still sucks, lol. That's sad.

[Chelsea]

ja pierdole...

Puciej, do you really have obsession about me ? Why in every your f@#!ing post you write about me ? Are completly retarded ? Do you have poster with me at your wall ? Maybe you wannabe me ? what is wrong with you ?

[ArsGoetia]

clan league is almost dead .. maybe already dead lol , i guess me is the only one who's asking for clanners daylong, there's no players  eagers to play.. not even ''veteran'' players ... each time that i asked for clanner for pm is always the same ... i just get ignore and sometimes i am insulted lol.. in these 2 last days, i asked for clanner to p3 (i was ignored), tdc ( i was ignored), to CF (i was ignored again), TaG (i was ignored once again), l3x (i was ignored this time, but they play sometimes so its ok), DAMN (they didn't want to, and they prefered to play singles)...and i repeat,, this is only in these 2 last days... i feel like a jehovah's witness being always ignored...  real players are gone, this is bullshit... worms is now a simply ''elite league'' besides that , there's no more..

i remember when i used to make my snoop sounds each time when a player said ''clanner'' , all time it kept sounding lol

[Ray]

Hey ROp3Rz, sorry that you felt that I ignored you, I did not, I was not at my computer.

I am totally going to be the evil, but ropa, Maciej, you guys are right. I agree with everything you both said. Everything around here always feels like is done with the greatest and best of intentions, but never turns out to be a good decision.

There is just too much to do for a player here and the playerbase of Worms Armageddon is just not big enough. And, people, just like nature, tend to flow in the direction where there's the least force back, tend to go with the easiest things and getting clanners organized is hard! And also, most Worms clans are waaaaay too big, understandably, I wouldn't want great players competing against my clan either!

A possible solution would be to just retire all the childish, worthless leagues and cups and tournaments and everything. Cups and tournaments should have always been organized by dedicated staff on a regular basis anyway.

Another idea, to counter big clans could possibly be to create child clans, cFc2 or whatever, everyone knows it's still cFc, just it's made up of 3 cFc players. Could perhaps count in an overall cFc stat? Ah just thinking out loud here.

[Chicken23]

The power to change all this is only in our hands.. it means logging onto wormnet and searching for clanners.


The number of games required for playoffs should be reduced and i've said this about 4 times now over the past 3 months.

[Maciej]

Worms are no longer so active game as it was 10 years ago and will never be again. We should cancel all this shits like TRL, HAL, TEL, cups, tourneys, take off hysteria from league and come back to old, checked system. Now everyone plays everying and all is dead. Make this one, CLASSIC league active.

[DarkOne]

Your problem, ropa, is that you tell other people what they should be doing, but don't do anything yourself. Talk about hypocrisy.

Just accept that roping has taken a backseat or get off your ass to change that. People have done that for elite. You can follow their example or you can tell those young whippersnappes to get off your lawn. The latter is only going to make you look like an old man yearning for his glory days.

The power to change all this is only in our hands.. it means logging onto wormnet and searching for clanners.

Also, fada, the additional prizes for best shot etc are not limited to single games as far as I'm concerned. Perfectly happy to hand them out for clanners.

[Anubis]

Your problem, ropa, is that you tell other people what they should be doing, but don't do anything yourself. Talk about hypocrisy.

Just accept that roping has taken a backseat or get off your ass to change that. People have done that for elite. You can follow their example or you can tell those young whippersnappes to get off your lawn. The latter is only going to make you look like an old man yearning for his glory days.

I don't think you can blame random people for not trying to "save" a scheme. The soil on which to build upon is based on the current league, in this case it's TUS. Obviously all the years you supported weird schemes that many veteran players think are unworthy to be included in a league (be it classic or free) will not motivate people that are coming from there to switch to more traditional schemes. I loved the Armageddon scheme and I was able to get a lot of games online when I started W:A. I am sure there were many other noobs that loved Armageddon but thank god nobody ever allowed it to be played in a league. And what drove me to learn roping/defaults etc.? It was the league that was active at that time and the schemes that I needed to learn in order to become good. Elitism is essential for a competitive league. Now that you introduced money it is actually indeed hypocrisy at it's best considering the environment.

I am not complaining, to be honest I don't care, so whatever keeps your boat afloat go for it. Just wanted to point out that the current active league is 90% responsible of whats being played. I am just sad for the current generation that they will never know what it really meant to be at the top of the (any) league. No money can replace pride, respect, fear, recognition etc. from your clan/players.

Btw, there were many requests in the past to host roping only leagues. Or is it mandatory to create a community and host a few cups here and there for it to be done?

I found an easy solution: Only allow hysteria to be played in clanners, see it sky rocket!

[Impossible]

, take off hysteria from league and come back to old,

perfect league would be the one without hyst, thats true. but we're talking about activity here, and removing hysteria will rather reduce activity than increase. its just too late to remove it. too many players got into it and removing hysteria will mean removing all those players

[zippeurfou]

Also, fada, the additional prizes for best shot etc are not limited to single games as far as I'm concerned. Perfectly happy to hand them out for clanners.

I saw that and was very happy to see it. This was a smart move I think.
Guys, please try to find solution instead of blaming TUS. Yes TUS is not perfect but if tomorrow TUS shut down, I bet it will be the end of WA. Starting from scratch after TUS would be so hard. I am not saying I totally disagree with all your argument. TUS is what it is, we got to live with it. Nevertheless, I don't want to see WA dies. Moreover, as I said earlier I don't recall clanner being that close to die. Therefore, please put your grudge aside and let's work to get 'newbie' and active player the will to play clanner again.
Another idea that crossed my mind was to make a paid league where people have to play in order to play it. Seems drastic but it could be interesting if you add tourney and other things only for 'VIP' members that pay for the league. We would have a div1 (paid) and div2 (free) and the winner of div2 could join div1 for free for the first season. People would have a goal and 'newb' would look up to go into div1. We could have a fixed price amount or at will with a minimum. If it would be at will then your reward would be proportionate of how much you paid. Moreover, some money could be used by TUS for marketing the website and attract new players (CS and DC could also take part in it and get some money for it). People pay for WOW, netflix... and other game why wouldn't you give 3 dollars every 2 months for a game you play hundreds of hours every month.. If you incorporate that in clanner. I am sure being in a clan where the clan leader pay the fee but you can get money if you win would motivate more than one person to play clanner.
PS: People complain but I've seen no one willing to give suggestion/improvement. I am willing to pay 100 bucks while I am a student in the US (which is damn so expensive! You know what I mean if you study here..) but guess what.. it's nothing compared the number of hours I spend playing this game.. If I were to give 1 cent per hour played WA I am sure it'll be way more lol.

[Fenice]

Take off all the schemes and keep only Mole Shopper. That's the only thing noobs want to play now.