Old people and leagues? (reflexes and stuff)

[Tomi]

Well in my opinion trl could be started with not only 1 scheme but a scheme group from free league. Like: holy war, plop war, parachute race. Or any variets of 3 or 4 not so popular, but fast learnable schemes.

[Triad]

Hey AKT hocam.

Only rope scheme in tfl is big rr yeah. So playing tfl shouldnt be a problem. After some time your big rr points will be lower and losing in big rr wont cost you so much points. But if you really dont wanna play big rr, you can ask tfl in #AG like "tfl (no big rr) anyone?"

[Peja]

in which way is tus league system rope based? we have Tel open all the time since well ... and also HAL as a default league. TRL gets deafult every now and then as well. lol tus actually favors defaults more than roping.

[ANO]

I am 30, still all the hair and f@#!ing black.

[SPW]

ofc tus is not roping only, but the absolute king league is classic, which 4 rope schemes, so thats 50%. And if someone doesnt like roping, he has to play those 50% often than others cause of obvious picks by opponent. And thats the main problem. A lot of people wish to play a variance of more schemes on highest level but they dont want to rope and even to learn it.

And really good allrounders you can count within 30 seconds. But 90% of those champs arent active anymore and we should learn to hear to "noob defaulter" because they are the future of worms!

What I mean is, we could close trl, hal and tel and just do a new way with default and roping leagues only, including singles and clanners and a big season trophy for playoff winners.

The solo king can try to win both leagues and the uber clan to win both playoffs. But well, maybe tus / worms has to die before people realise its 5 minutes before 12.

I wouldnt support tel if theres a default league. I would put my money there and would say to everyone, just learn t17, bng and intermediate and win it! Yep, there is no hysteria in my default group, but why not 5 default schemes?

Default: Elite, Intermediate, BnG, T17, Hysteria.
Roping: TTRR, Roper, WxW, Shopper, (Wascar, BigRR, Proper whatever).

Chance for having SPW in current classic system: 0.1%
Chance having me in a default system: 50%.

And I am not the only one thinking like that, for sure. 

[AKT]

Yeah TFL is cool. i play that. But it is not only problem "ropegames"
"me choose and you choose" an issue for me too because time.

For example i can play a TEL game 15-20 minute and its finish (generally less, because i am not too good in elite  )
But if i choose inter, and oponent choose a his scheme it can be too long. Sometimes my oponent want continue other day. Because sometimes match too long, and my oponent need gtg.

i know choosing system has a advantage, it force playing more kind of schme and you became more all around player.
But i dont wanna good in all schemes, i want to competetive games with fun.
And i tried all league schemes. Some of them not funny for me, i dont wanna play ever.

So TEL is also good league ; because you can play just 1 game or 2-3-4-5.. game with your oponent, too flexible.

i know big changing is hard but, i really think all populer schemes has a own league can be good.
for example; i love to play "just 1 mole game with tus" and leave

[AKT]

SPW:

i don't wanna play BnG, Hysteria, WxW, BigRR
Because i dont have fun.

Bng is too much blurry rules for me i cant fun.
Hysteria makes me zero fun, 1-2 times i won and i still dont get fun either.
WxW, Big RR i dont have fun to too many.

This is not a workplace, i dont wanna do thing with no fun.
i just wanna play fun for me games.

But maybe its just me and few people, i dont know

[HHC]

Default: Elite, Intermediate, BnG, T17, Hysteria.
Roping: TTRR, Roper, WxW, Shopper, (Wascar, BigRR, Proper whatever).

I think classic suits most people's needs as it is. It doesn't really need to be killed. Not many people are super at ALL schemes in it, but many are skilled in at least 5 or 6 out of 8.

There's 4 problems with your suggestion I can see from first point of view:
1) It totally eliminates all-round. I'm pretty sure a whole lot of players on worms kinda fancy the mix between rope and default. And besides, being all-round is still something we all strife for isn't it? It should be encouraged.
2) Clanners? If some clans only default and some only rope the amount of games is gonna drop even further. I can't see any reason why clans like che would even bother to attempt the rope league.
3) Don't think people would like such a partition of schemes. I for example am really fond of roper, but really hate/suck at 90% of the other rope schemes. Instead I'd have to stick to default where i'm forced to play inter & bng, which i don't like at all 
4) The rope division would be an enhanced TRL imo. I don't think it will attract too much activity. And with the huge differences in competitiveness newbies wouldn't even bother giving it a try. Would likely die pretty soon.

TUS is better the way it is IMO.

Though in my dreams it would be just 5-schemes in classic:
- Roper, perhaps with weapon crates instead to create a roper/shop hybrid.
- Elite
- Team17 with a starting missile
- 3-sec hysteria with worm changes or RnR (as a mix between current hyst & bng)
- (?) Maybe a tweeked version of TTRR that gives players a time bonus or something like that for finishing extra worms. As to make it both a competition of skill and of endurance/reliability.

Would still bias the ropers I guess, but it's down to 40% then.
It would get rid of bugged schemes (like 1sec hyst), lame schemes (like notched bng), 1-weapon schemes (like BnG and most ropes, though ttrr still in..) and replace it with schemes that are pretty basic yet versatile. It would make it a lot easier to become all-round. It's hard to keep up with 8 schemes at a PRO level. As it is, I think even Random is finding it somewhat hard to dominate all schemes alike.

[Peja]

And really good allrounders you can count within 30 seconds. But 90% of those champs arent active anymore and we should learn to hear to "noob defaulter" because they are the future of worms!

16 of the top 20 players in current classic league season are able to rope fine 14 of the top 20 players in the current tel season as well. i wonder what makes you think they are a minority. its not like noob defaulters taking over tus.the only really active comepetetive guy who struggles hard in roping is chelsea and he really tried to improve it. actually his ropers really should progress during his time in aef.  but sure if you keep throwing money into default schemes you maybe will get the effect newcomer dont even bother to learn roping on even an crappy level like i do. since theres someone with an mighty bankroll who tells them its just total useless and they shouldnt bother because its way cooler not to work on yourself and just fully going into quite mechanic default schemes.

[AKT]

@HHC

Forgive me it is too long writing

Classic doesn't need to be killed.
It can live. TEL didnt kill classic

Clan match&schemes can be limited in someways. Like you cant play TEL with one person 16 times

Why do you want to play your hate scheme


“being all-round should be encouraged.”
i don’t think this is not a most important thing.

People can find their ways.
My first online competetive games shoppa. Later i am kind a bored

i try mole love it.
i try 1v1 inter with a good player. I love that and in years i become ONL addict 
i try hysteria hate it
itry Holy funny, like it
i try Rowy lovve it. its my best scheme for me maybe but it is not tus i think


On the other hand, clasic league is not perfect solution.
Rules cannot force me to play WxW anyway. id rather dont play  league, thats it.

Also in classic;  i want/like playing only: shoppa, team 17 and elite
i am not pro in this 3 scheme but when i want tus classic with this schemes many times refused. But if were shopper only league maybe i can play a 1 shopper game with that guy.

Also choosing is generally have a problematic too:
i am good on inter  i always chose inter. But i want to play holy mole etc. But i  dont play because i dont wanna lose my select. 

Additionly, i think more people play league can be better.
Personally i play this game for 11 years (but not everyday active just holidays etc)
i heard tus a lot times but i didnt play tus 10 year because I THOUGHT system is complicated and JUST FOR PRO ALLROUNDERS 

But good example of TEL league is so simple
*1 scheme
 *play it

i like that simplicity
That can be brought more people. Sometimes in wormnet too many people but we cant find tus player.

Maybe if there was a plop league (this is kind a luck game) i can invite any1 and play.



Note: i am “newbie” on this site. And my English not good enough.
i don't know, maybe my sayings tecnicallly hard (too much user with bunch of noobs too many leagues too many replays)

And maybe i don’t know enough league rules, leagues etc. so i dont think my every sayings meaningful but
i believe some of my sayings are valuable.

hf every1

[TheWalrus]

Siign me up for the hhc league.  Actually sounds amazing.  I'd delete shopper and wxw as well.  The idea to combine hysteria and bng into a 3 sec deal sounds great.

[avirex]

HHC's ideas do sound most promising...

but lets be realistic, SPW i dont care what league is offered, your not coming back, and your not participating, that was proven after each and every season you begged for TEL back, and never played..

stop saying is something is changed theres a 50% change your back... theres not...

you too walrus!! your not coming back either!!! ;p

ontopic: hhcs ideas are ok.. but i dont agree with all of his ideas..




what people need to understand is that there will never be a set that suits to everybodys needs, there will never be a combination of leagues that everyone likes.. and if we go ahead and split things up so each scheme is on a separate rating, then just like peja said... we are not longer encouraging people to be good all arounders.. and the community splits up even more...

the tighter we can keep the community, the better for the game...

SPW, sorry to say it, but you just toss out ideas that suit your needs, and try to back them up with "or the game will die" lol.. come on man.. you dont even play.. and there is no 50% your ever going to.

[darKz]

Guys, if you don't like roping just do the 'Chicken23': lose all your Ropers and RRs until your rating is so low that your opponents won't pick it because they only get 1 point. Easy.

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Yes, Chicken actually did that in FB (and made playoffs I think)

[Anubis]

Guys, if you don't like roping just do the 'Chicken23': lose all your Ropers and RRs until your rating is so low that your opponents won't pick it because they only get 1 point. Easy.

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Yes, Chicken actually did that in FB (and made playoffs I think)

I think that only partially works in TUS because after every season your seasonal rating resets so you really can't get THAT low. Overall doesn't matter in terms of PO so dunno if it could work. xD

Why is TUS classic biased towards people that like roping? There are also people that like roping more than they like defaults, I see noone of them complaining.

[TheWalrus]

Guys, if you don't like roping just do the 'Chicken23': lose all your Ropers and RRs until your rating is so low that your opponents won't pick it because they only get 1 point. Easy.

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Yes, Chicken actually did that in FB (and made playoffs I think)

I think that only partially works in TUS because after every season your seasonal rating resets so you really can't get THAT low. Overall doesn't matter in terms of PO so dunno if it could work. xD

Why is TUS classic biased towards people that like roping? There are also people that like roping more than they like defaults, I see noone of them complaining.

I think its because people who play defaults exclusively also have a penchant for asshattery and whining.

EDIT: green font is sarcasm, forgot im not on the basketball forum I go to online