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Offline HHC

Books thread
« on: October 31, 2012, 11:00 PM »
Yea!

I wanna know what you are reading atm  :)
I know there are plenty wormers out there who happen to read a book once in a while (surprisingly many). Some like fiction (& fantasy), others seem more interested in non-fiction. Me, for one.

Anywho, doesn't matter, tell me what you are reading.  :)



I myself am reading a biography of Herman Boerhaave atm, a famous (Dutch) physician from the 1700's.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Boerhaave

It's 350 pages long, which is a lil' too much for the lifestory of an 'ordinary' scientist. But there's lots of info on the scientific culture of his days which is really interesting (the 'mechanical' approach to life and the human body of Descartes, the new interest for experimentation and rationalisation, as well as for the traditional view (Galenus and the four different bodily fluids)).

It's only published in Dutch though :(
Something for DarkOne?  ;D



I also just finished up on reading a very interesting book:


Perhaps some of you germans have heard about it.
The authors discovered a whole collection of transcripts of conversations between german (and italian) POW's in World War Two that were secretly overheard by the British and American intelligence.

In Germany it created a little scandal because the Wehrmacht doesn't really get out of it well. The conversations show that many ordinary soldiers were compromised in the violence that took place in both the east and the west. Against enemy troops, partisans and against the jews and ordinary Russian, Polish and French citizens.

It was interesting to read how in wartime the rules of normal society didn't apply and that people judged events from a very different perspective.
As ordinary, peace-loving citizens we are appalled by the violence that happens in wartime and fail to comprehend how human beings are capable of such barbaric acts.
I can't say I have an answer now, but it was quite astonishing that these 'warcrimes' we speak of were never, or hardly ever an issue to those involved. Whenever the topic of violence was raised in the conversations it never raised an eyebrow. People getting killed was seen as 'normal' and there was hardly any empathy involved for those who suffered from the violence. With one exception: the comrades of the soldier.

It makes for incredibly weird conversations:

Pohl: "I had to drop bombs onto a train station in Posen ( Poznan ) on the second day of the war in Poland . Eight of the 16 bombs fell in the city, right in the middle of houses. I didn't like it. On the third day I didn't care, and on the fourth day I took pleasure in it. We enjoyed heading out before breakfast, chasing individual soldiers through the fields with machine guns and then leaving them there with a few bullets in their backs."

Meyer: "But it was always against soldiers?"

Pohl: "People too. We attacked convoys in the streets. I was sitting in the 'chain' (a formation of three aircraft). The plane would wiggle a little and we would bank sharply to the left, and then we'd fire away with every MG (machine gun) we had. The things you could do. Sometimes we saw horses flying around."

Meyer: "That's disgusting, with the horses…come on!"

Pohl: "I felt sorry for the horses, not at all for the people. But I felt sorry for the horses right up until the end."


This lack of empathy also shows in the way crimes against jewish people were approached. The soldiers were only interested in where it happened and whether there were any cute girls involved. And if that was the case, it was considered 'a shame'.
The act itself, of killing the jews, was never called into question. The only thing about it that met resistance was the 'messy' way in which it was done and the possibility of 'jewish revenge' after the war.

The book also mentions some other disturbing facts, like 'mass killings-tourists' that even included children; german pilots roaming the streets of English cities in search for 'human booty' and evidently 'enjoying' it a lot.
New for me was also the extreme violence that was used by the Wehrmacht and SS in Italy (against civilians) and also the common practice of (western) allied forces to shoot german prisoners on sight (the Wehrmacht soldiers were sometimes spared, but the SS troops were shot without questions asked).

The extreme violence commited in World War Two wasn't 'national socialist', as ideology hardly ever occupied the mind of troops in the field (only in the SS did it play a certain part in inciting violence), but instead the result of regular/normal warfare that became increasingly grim.
The Wehrmacht for example already commited war crimes in the Netherlands (and France) where POW's were shot or used as human shield. That has nothing to do with an 'extermination war on inferior people' as some people see world war two. It's common war practice, and the violence in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan is no different.

For more info:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/rape-murder-and-genocide-nazi-war-crimes-as-described-by-german-soldiers-a-755385.html
« Last Edit: October 31, 2012, 11:03 PM by HHC »

Offline avirex

Re: Books thread
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2012, 12:06 AM »
Can we have a books forum? XD

Offline nino

Re: Books thread
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2012, 12:48 AM »
iam reading this thread atm, u?
You Are Losing Time Reading my Signature.

Offline TheWalrus

Re: Books thread
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2012, 03:31 AM »
Reading this now:

The Fountainhead by Ayn Rand.
Great read so far, was inspired to read more Rand after reading Atlas Shrugged.  Reading Atlas Shrugged was the biggest single influential experience ive ever had since reading the Bible for the first time.  The fountainhead is similarly good so far.  I would recommend both books.

Re: Books thread
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2012, 06:39 AM »
I've spent some time in Leiden for a radiation protection course, so I've read up on Boerhaave already :) Unfortunately, the Boerhaave museum was only open at times when the course was given, so I didn't have the chance to visit. Perhaps I should give it a go soon since I have some vacation days to spend before the end of the year. Usually, those books are about the person themselves and rather less about how they got to their discoveries and went on in the scientific world at the time, but it seems this one went out of his way to do it differently.
Of course, I did visit the Röntgen museum in his house of birth
I've read a book by Kip Thorne (a physicist) about the history of black holes - truly remarkable stuff and it gives you some perspective about how easy we have it now to figure things out. For example, Subramanyan Chandrasekhar found out the maximum mass of a star before it collapses on itself (after the fuel runs out, so to speak) and he had to do it with nothing but pencil and paper - and the 30 days it took him to go from India to England on a steam boat. And then he had to do it all over again, but now use the theory of relativity (back then a pretty new thing) as well. A sad state of affairs that this accomplishment wasn't publically acknowledged for a time because another brilliant physicist called Eddington couldn't bring himself to believe it.

I don't really have time to read a lot anymore, other than books for work (especially trying to understand MRI physics is taking a lot of my time). But when I can, I usually read Terry Pratchett (and before that, Douglas Adams). The stories in themselves are of course, silly, but they have/had extraordinary talents in showing how crazy we truly are in our mannerisms. Douglas Adams' S.E.P. shield is nothing short of a brilliant find. I usually steer clear of books that take themselves too seriously. I get enough serious stuff at work :) It's a nice way to escape that and just have a good laugh at ourselves.

Offline Breeze

Re: Books thread
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2012, 06:47 AM »
Not a reader at all, however the latest book I've read and am currently in the process of reading again is World War Z by Max Brooks.

Offline Ray

Re: Books thread
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2012, 07:03 AM »
I just finished couple of Dan Brown's masterpieces, he's a brilliant writer.

At the moment, I am reading Lev Tolstoy's War and Peace, since I really enjoyed Les Misérables by Victor Hugo, I had to give it a try.

Offline Rok

Re: Books thread
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2012, 07:26 AM »


A light sci-fi, a murder story.
chakkman> if rok was a girl i d marry the bitch lolz

Offline Husk

Re: Books thread
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2012, 07:44 AM »
he aquariums of pyongyang

Offline TheWalrus

Re: Books thread
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2012, 08:57 AM »
I just finished couple of Dan Brown's masterpieces, he's a brilliant writer.

At the moment, I am reading Lev Tolstoy's War and Peace, since I really enjoyed Les Misérables by Victor Hugo, I had to give it a try.
Dan Brown is descent, but he is a bit writer.  He does one thing, but he does it very well.  Vinci's Code was novel enough, angels and demons was a bit of a retread.  I really liked Deception Point, although not critically accepted, it fit my fancy.  His research is what makes the books come alive to me.  To tie the fiction in with chronicled history makes his readings come alive.  Leo Tolstoy is a champion among men, hes a bit of a technical read though, better the 2nd or 3rd time through. 

Douglas Adams' S.E.P. shield is nothing short of a brilliant find. I usually steer clear of books that take themselves too seriously. I get enough serious stuff at work :) It's a nice way to escape that and just have a good laugh at ourselves.
Doug Adams is good, but the man is ridiculous.  I remember really liking the Hitchhikers series, but I was about 10.  Haven't read much of his writing since then.  He's an ironic but entertaining bastard.  Good to see you guys are reading something worthwhile.  I haven't encountered anything like a cow offering up the choicest cuts of itself before or since.  There is only one restaurant at the end of the galaxy, and it is fantastic.

I have found myself re-reading Michael Chrichton's books lately, he is possibly my favorite writer of all time, I miss that tall brute.  "The Andromeda Strain" is the best sci-fi book ive ever read, I wish he was still around to churn out novels like this still.

Offline HHC

Re: Books thread
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2012, 09:42 AM »
he aquariums of pyongyang

Check it on google, is it good?

Offline lalo

Re: Books thread
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2012, 01:09 PM »


I'm reading this one at the moment. More than 700 pages and not much spare time but managed to reach the half of it reading in the bus  :-[
« Last Edit: November 01, 2012, 01:11 PM by lalo »

Offline philie

Re: Books thread
« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2012, 09:47 PM »


i love robert anton wilson (obviously..)

Offline Prankster

Re: Books thread
« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2012, 10:31 PM »
My favourite book is The Once and Future King by T. H. White.

Oh and I love Roald Dahl! :)
« Last Edit: November 01, 2012, 10:35 PM by Prankster »

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Re: Books thread
« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2012, 10:58 PM »


MonkeyIsland, my friend, I know your english is terrible and your understanding of society limited. However, in real life, people attack and humiliate others without the use of a single bad word. They even go to war with lengthy politeness. You can't base the whole moderation philosophy of a community based on the use of bad words and your struggle with sarcasm and irony. My attack to Jonno was fully justified and of proper good taste.
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