I've heard this thread is full of lies a few times already.
But what exactly are these lies you speak of? Care to point us in their direction? Because this thread might be home to misinformation, but it also an eye opener for anyone that thought there was still room for ego in the b2b house.
How can it be filled with misinformation and eye-opening at the same time? As a third party who doesn't actually know what went on between b2b and Komo, how can one tell that their eyes aren't being opened
by said misinformation, essentially tricking them into agreeing with whichever side is loudest, not the one that is right? Unless of course your intention all along has been to open the eyes of this community regarding how little it values truth, in which case, well done!
But okay, I guess if you guys are really interested, I can take the time to point out some of the lies and the bullshit. The
difference between the two, by the way, is that in order to lie, one has to be aware of the truth. When spreading bullshit, that requirement isn't there, the truth is largely irrelevant. I won't pretend to know for sure which of the below qualify as lies and which as bullshit, but the people who posted the excerpts should for the most part know for themselves; feel free to ask them.
Up until the point where I posted at least, no one said anything offensive, why are you being immature and messing with everyones posts?
The thread was full of offensive posts, starting with the very first one, continuing with Toxic's next reply after being told that as far as we know, he was never voted into b2b, as every other member always had to be. Quoted post also conveniently leaves out the fact that as it turns out, it was actually Komo who seems to have contributed to Toxic misremembering things in the first place, something the rest of us in b2b had no idea about at all until he finally revealed it in that topic, at which point things had sadly already gone down the shitter. Derp.
Fair enough then, you have all became selfish & arrogant.
b2b members were all reasonably mature when first being invited into the community already, our personalities and opinions in large part past the point of shifting drastically, as a teenager's might. Over the years, our views on practically all things have changed very little, so either we've been selfish and arrogant all along or the above just isn't true and is a severe exaggeration.
Seriously dude, you guys have completly ruined b2b, used to be a very respectable community that new players looked up to, now you all think you so good you can't even give people an honest and fair explanation...
An honest and fair explanation was given before the thread turned into a shitfest and eventually a (pretty funny in my opinion) joke. The rest of that post then goes on to again try and make b2b look bad in an attempt to conceal the fact that it was always, exclusively, Komo who made b2b look bad in the past as well, with the rest of us practically always electing to stay out of the drama because we knew nothing good would come out of it, as we tried to in this situation as well. Obviously, this time it didn't work out too well because the amount of slander was greater than usual, so here we are, replying anyway.
More or less yeah, and if everyone had fun together and the person was enthusiastic and skilled, we would eventually invite them, at least that's how it was before, in my opinion, the IRC channel unofficially took control...
That clearly continued to be the case after Komo left, why wouldn't it? Implying that it may not be like that anymore because a lot of us prefer IRC to other methods of communication is just another thinly veiled attempt to mislead without going through the trouble of providing (or even thinking about) an actual basis to the accusation.
I think komo has a valid point if what he is telling is true. FoS is really #1 community now.
A supreme example of someone clueless not only siding with the loudest party, but immediately also making the jump to spreading his conclusions as fact in the very next sentence, despite admitting to not knowing which side is telling the truth in the first one. I mean I can imagine why Anubis would feel like he should support Komo on this (confirmation bias, humans are more likely to interpret new information so that it supports beliefs they already hold) and that's fine, there's something to be said for friendship. But if you want to be seen as an at least somewhat objective observer, why take it that step further and proclaim our community as somehow worse as a result of this debate, before getting to the bottom of even the basic stuff like who's being more truthful?
It's just not moral, and surely not the image you want?
I am over it, but I still have alot of respect for the people of this game, and to be honest, it's very unsettling to see a community which once had such honour and respect, treat people like this...
Implying that b2b would be better off with Komo in charge of it, despite the several enormous discussions we've had internally that outright established that as far as our members were concerned, the opposite was true. Said discussions being the very reason why we decided not inviting him back in would be the saner course of action as far as b2b staying enjoyable and its reputation as a community were concerned.
Instead of brushing people off like they don't exist, you could maybe reply with a link to the thread explaining b2b don't accept plees to join, and explain to them the same stuff you were explained when you were in their position, just common courtesy...
So b2b's mistake, this time, was not linking
someone asking to be allowed back into a community they were never part of to a
sticky topic in the b2b forum that explains what to do if you want to join for the first time? Really, that's worthy of gigantic drama topics accusing us of being responsible for the death of BnG as we know it? Get some perspective, lunatics!
Dear b2b,
BnG went to shit under your watch. I hope you're proud.
Sincerly,
Patently not true, you're clearly just guessing and hoping nobody would notice... funnily enough, nobody outside of b2b actually did notice and went on to correct you, so touché.
Our community was born, in part,
because BnG had already (though not to the extent it has today) gone to shit and we wanted to preserve a certain way of playing it. Through recruiting new members, hosting and playing in a2b tournaments, public games with outsiders, releasing BnG movies, theorising at length about both league and funner BnG in our forum and IRC channel, consulting league admins on touchy issues such as rules, complaints and cheating, I feel we have done a pretty damn fine job of that, actually. Certainly more than anyone else has done, by far. While not all of our members are necessarily interested in doing all these things at all times, we each played a part. That you and apparently much of the rest of TUS failed to notice it is quite simply an admission that apart from Komo, the rest of us don't go out of our way to brag about it, and also that you guys just haven't been very observant. If in the past few months, we've perhaps been doing less to bring the glory of BnG to the attention of the good people of WormNet, or doing too little to try and fix TUS BnG, surely you should at least allow for the possibility that there may be factors other than laziness at work here. Perhaps we were ourselves a little disappointed by the reception some of our proposals were met with, perhaps we weren't able to quite find common ground with the rest of the BnG world when looking for solutions (certainly the case with me when I was thinking and writing about NRBnG and notching), perhaps we're just waiting for the atmosphere in the community to calm down a bit as far as blind hatred toward the scheme is concerned.
My point is, you don't know. How could you or anyone else bashing b2b in this thread know? You never bothered to ask us. Or MI.
Bng is the most elitist cockfest unaccessible scheme there is. No one plays it for fun outside of b2b, it says a lot.
I'm sure the intention here, on the wings of
your recent victory, is to try and once and for all fix TUS BnG, because you feel the circumstances are favourable, the community finally ready to accept well thought-out changes. As you know, I respect that, and would be more than willing to look past the misdirected flaming if I thought that blaming b2b for the situation at hand would help reestablish BnG as one of the cornerstones of competitive Worms. Sadly, after following TUS forums quite closely over the years and talking to MI about BnG every now and then, as we do, I don't believe anything short of a perfect solution would do the trick at this point. Komo trying to push his (somewhat inaccurate) interpretation of NRBnG a while back was not it. A solution founded on putting Komo in charge of b2b, despite b2b never having had any official say in how BnG is played on TUS, would not be it either. It would be just another quick and dirty attempt that would again end in the rest of the community seeing the scheme as even less suitable for league play.
You're comparing two different things. Compare Bng to roping if you must, but not to warming. Warming doesn't compare to bng, it's the complete opposite. It's a form of expression. It's social time. It brings you high. Oh, and we do not use anything other than our hearts to warm it up, there's no mathematical formulas involved.
There was a time where people hosted Bng games in this same nature, were brains took a break from numerical calculations. But not anymore, not under b2b's watch. They like to call it Bng, I see them playing Gunbound.
You don't even embrace all that Bng has to give us. It's not that you never supported things like unanchored bng; it's that you never even bothered to even look. And here we are, every single one of us, hoping the opposing clan doesn't pick Bng because we just don't want to deal with the bitching and the boredom.
That's the most hilarious post in this thread by far, illustrating so perfectly the complete lack of understanding of both BnG and b2b on your part and the part of much of the rest of the community. BnG can obviously be both, a form of artistic expression in funners as well as one of the most exciting schemes to play competitively. Out of everyone in this community, b2b members were clearly always at the forefront of both of these approaches to BnG, in theory as well as in practice. Just because you apparently bought Komo's propaganda about evil b2b members spreading notching during one of his harshly vindictive periods doesn't make it a solid base for your arguments pertaining to the past and future of BnG. Doing your own research instead of relying on the ramblings of someone clearly emotionally unstable would have been a much better way to go here; it would have saved you the embarrassment of claiming that, in essence, b2b is more responsible for BnG being unpopular on TUS... than TUS itself. And I don't just mean the league's staff, before I get accused of terrorism again, but them too. Four out of (roughly) five people who get a say in how things are run on TUS want the scheme taken out of the league right now. Not exactly favourable circumstances for a community that's apparently expected to fix things, wouldn't you agree?
there once was a couple of friends sharing their love for bng with everyone who was interested. weekly tournaments, active hosts. there once was some code of honor in league bng, now its notchfest. i know some members of b2b who dont even want to play bng when you ask them. for sure inactivity is a killer, but i wonder how the random newcomers should even notice that there is another way of playing bng when you guys are hanging around on an irc chanell. im really glad i got used to this game as komo still was active, because your way of bng is beautiful and a inspiration. your way of bng is a wa lifesyle so share it with the worms world.
ps: b2b who?
I don't know where you got the idea that competitive BnG should be played with honour or that this was one of b2b's stated goals. There are solutions for league BnG out there that
would actually work, they're just very hard to force on a community that doesn't even understand why unwritten honour rules stopped working in the first place. And again, b2b can not be held solely responsible for the entire rest of the community losing passion and understanding for the scheme. That we should be able to inspire an entire WormNet worth of people to enjoy BnG in funners, or that Komo was single-handedly doing this while still in b2b, is a ridiculous claim and an unrealistic expectation. The sooner active league players and forum posters such as yourself realise they're a large part of the problem, the better it would be for BnG. But I'm not getting my hopes up, I've been around for a bit too long for that, attempted a few too many failed NRBnG revolutions.
oh, and the nick PsyDome didn't ring anyone's bell either 
Clearly trolling there, of course you know that there's as many b2b members who remember PsyDome as there are people in the entire rest of the TUS community combined who do. Too few, I agree, but that's life for you.
born2ban
You used to be a contributing member of the WA society, Kai. What happened?
Bng, the scheme, it's in its worth state in history. Notching is the norm and whilst people start many Bng clanners playing with honor it usually and very quickly goes to hell. What reply do I get? Prankster says it's not their responsibility. They're only the most important and relevant Bng community, and yet we shouldn't look up to them to keep a reasonable level of quality control on the scheme, or care about it. Others claim that I shouldn't be opening my mouth because I'm not in b2b and thus I can't talk (ironic, to say the least).
How is it ironic that we might expect people who criticise b2b to first understand what our community is all about instead of taking Komo's word for it? Do we perhaps criticise others without doing our homework first, is that it? That would be more hypocritical than ironic, though, so I'm really not sure what you meant there. What's actually ironic is that b2b is getting flak for not doing enough for BnG when even by your admission, we're the only ones who actually understand the scheme, both professionally, and logically... thereby doing more than anyone else.
This lead me to 2 conclusions that I've stated in this topic. That b2b doesn't work in favor of the Bng scheme (that they shouldn't be expected to nor asked to), that it's an hermetic society and knowing what they're up to can only be done from the inside. And that any sort of critique towards them will see them all against you to the point where you cannot even join their IRC channel to discuss Bng without getting banned.
Both of those conclusions are of course wrong, and both of them I addressed up there somewhere in replies to other quotes. Yes we love BnG and yes we continue to think about solutions for it, and you'd know this if you bothered to come to our open channel, or our forums here, to talk to us about it
before removing all doubt that you are in fact trolling in some of the members' minds. As it was, one of them was thoroughly fed up with the debate by the time you did that, so he did the one thing that would keep him from having to go over it all again. It's how we've always operated, with and without Komo, and we're not suddenly going to become any more or less active/egoistic/intelligent/humourous/motivated/proud/responsible/whatever just because FoS was yet again able to turn public opinion against b2b, conveniently right before the announcement of the next round of TUS community awards.
Seriously, we're used to it, we don't really mind. Have fun.
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