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Do you think that the world is getting worse?

Yes
18 (66.7%)
No
6 (22.2%)
Slighlty
3 (11.1%)

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Offline XanKriegor

Re: Is the world getting worse?
« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2019, 05:10 PM »
Who wrote that for you, STR?  :D

Offline STRGRN

Re: Is the world getting worse?
« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2019, 10:44 PM »
Statistically, no, the world is not getting worse. Extreme poverty, child labour, legal slavery are all going down, and the economy is growing faster than ever (not counting Europe).

Can you show me some legit research/statistics on that please? That is great news if it's true but from what I saw it's not going down... I hope it's true.

The statistics are from Gapminder (https://www.gapminder.org/data/), which in turn uses official data from organizations such as the UN, World Bank, WHO etc.

Offline Kradie

Re: Is the world getting worse?
« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2019, 02:09 PM »
Statistically, no, the world is not getting worse. Extreme poverty, child labour, legal slavery are all going down, and the economy is growing faster than ever (not counting Europe).

What concerns me, however, is that humans are becoming less independent. We aren't embracing individualism anymore, or at least not on the level we should. We are letting the collective and the government keep us safe and make more decisions for us. This is dangerous, because it leads to us losing our ability to think for ourselves and handle difficult situations. It makes humans easier to control, both by government institutions and large corporations. Google wouldn't be the largest internet corporation if users were aware of their spionage, filter bubbles etc. and if they'd known how to avoid it (using alternatives such as Firefox, Opera, Duckduckgo etc.).

It's self-perpetuating problem because as we become worse at thinking critically, we become less skeptical to institutions and corporations, further letting them increase their influence on us.

Oh, and then there's also the fact that debate culture is constantly getting worse and focusing more on feelings than rational arguments like the other guys mentioned, preventing discussion of real issues such as this reach the light of day.

So in other words, people as individuals will get less choice, or choices that are equal. So to lose individuality is actually a bad thing, and could be categorize as worse. Slavery IS worse, but stripping away choice and freedom replaces it. Though, if all human turns into mindless drones, it is only for Government's control, in other words, slavery in a blissful world.

Interesting video to look into

Offline eule

Re: Is the world getting worse?
« Reply #18 on: March 15, 2019, 12:21 PM »
seems like wormsnet is more unstable than before, so definitly yes

Offline skunk3

Re: Is the world getting worse?
« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2019, 11:10 AM »
To answer the question directly - Yes, I do think that the world is getting worse.

I only have experience with the so-called "Western World." I've never actually been out of the United States and a lot of my views have an American/Western bias.

That said, I am a critical thinker and I pay more attention to social/political/cultural issues than most people I know, and I am also 38 so I have a bit of life experience. For me, the best and worst thing to ever happen to humanity is the internet. Regional differences are rapidly disappearing and societies are becoming more and more homogenous. This includes accents, preferences, values, and so on. The internet was great back when it was simple and mostly for nerds. Nowadays it's a staple of virtually everyone's life, especially younger folks. I personally think that the internet has affected women worse than men. It has allowed men to be more intrusive and domineering, it has desensitized men to sex and intimacy (because of free porn everywhere) and placed a burden on young women to act like porn stars and not have any morals. It has also made women even more competitive towards each other than ever, which is why every chick these days uploads a million selfies on various social media platforms constantly and also uses a bunch of goofy filters. Another thing is that women are naturally more 'follower' types than 'leader' types (debate this if you will, but it's true) and as such they are far more likely to be brainwashed/indoctrinated by bogus information floating around social media, and are far more likely to be swayed into becoming fake ideologues and championing totally absurd ideas, like 3rd/4th wave feminism, social justice, et al. There's a lot to talk about in regards to women and the internet but for the sake of brevity I'll leave it there.

Internet is also terrible for men in many ways too. It de-incentivizes men to go out and pursue women because not only are women being programmed to be something repugnant to many guys, they also have a virtually limitless supply of free porn so any time they have that natural urge to fuck they can instead just jerk off to some smutty video, which in the long run is damaging psychologically and even spiritually in a sense. There's also a million time-wasting distractions available online (such as gaming) so men are doing less and less traditional hobbies like crafting, mechanical work, carpentry, etc. It's basically serving to extend boyhood well into the 20's and even beyond. It has also made it much harder for men to find decent women because women are so used to being bombarded with dick pics, solicitations, dating websites, etc... The standards of women these days are higher than ever before and ironically they have less to offer than ever before because they are more unattractive inside and out. (Leftism, SJW mindsets, feminism, obesity, sluttiness, lack of traditional feminine roles/skills, etc.)

Aside from internet we just have more technology in general, and more technology = more productivity = increased demands = increased stress and lack of happiness. All the while the rich keep getting richer, the middle class shrinks, and the poor get slightly less poor.

Our food is all junk. It's all processed and full of chemicals, hormones, preservatives, and so on... not to mention tons of added sugars, which is why diabetes is on the rise worldwide, and we are learning that diabetes and blood sugar issues is killing millions of people.

Smart phones constantly track and monitor everything people do, and who knows what kinds of effects all of these signals are having? Personally I am scared to even think about 5G because from things that I have seen and read on the internet it will be extremely dangerous and likely used as a form of population control. Of course that is conspiracy theory stuff but look into it yourself if you want to know more.

Even in the summer time I rarely see kids outside playing. They're all indoors with their phones and tablets, sitting in AC, eating sugar, and developing warped minds from internet access. No decent parent would give their kids unregulated/unfiltered access to the internet until they are at LEAST 15-16 years old... in my opinion.

Not that gossiping was never a thing, but it's more prevalent and easier than ever before now.

As we can see in the media, many people have fucked themselves when it comes to public positions both inside and outside of government because of things they have posted online, even well over a decade ago. Maybe the scrutiny is a good thing in some respects but overall it is terrifying to me.

Art is kinda irrelevant anymore. Most people don't give a shit. Literature has fallen off... not that there aren't good books being written, but I'd wager that there are less avid readers today than there was 25 years ago because people spend a bunch of time online and think that counts for reading. (It doesn't.) Music matters far less to most people these days because it's essentially free. The days of physically traveling to a record store and spending money on physical music are long gone and as a result people lose respect for it. Most popular music these days is complete trash, especially modern rap. Rap music in the 90's definitely had a lot of controversial material but at least it was presented in such a way that it was usually thought-proviking or at the very least artistic. Nowadays it's a bunch of autotuned idiots talking about rampant drug use, hypersexuality, deviant sexuality, lack of respect, lack of morals, designer clothes, et al... and the worst part of all is that it all sounds the same. Hiphop was originally all about individuality, having one's own style. These days everyone bites. ("Biting" means copying someone else in hip-hop culture.) Movies aren't nearly as good or as original as they used to be. It's just a bunch of over-the-top special effects/CGI. Look at all of the shitty movie reboots/remakes. The ratio of deep, thought-provoking, artistic films compared to bullshit ones is at least 30:1 in favor of the bullshit.

The wealth gap continues to increase and will continue to increase until we hit a point by which the top ~5% of wealthiest individuals will utterly control everything. They basically already do but the effects are going to become worse and more pronounced. The middle class is dying off and eventually we're going to have a master class and a servant class.

Many younger people no longer have any practical skills. The parents are to blame here. How many people know how to cook nowadays? How to garden? How to fix something? I know tons of women these days whose culinary expertise consists of microwaving shit...

Lots of people keep having children at younger and younger ages, which has a ripple effect across generations because you're having a kid being fucked up from having a bad childhood due to the bad decisions and/or irresponsibility of their parents, and that kid ends up having a kid at a young age and so on... This is due to a decline in values, family, morals, even religious beliefs.

Speaking of religious beliefs, Muslims are breeding at a rate that is going to outstrip most of the world, and many places are dealing with forced migration because of some elite agenda. Islam and Western culture don't mix, and guess what? The Muslims are taking over. Reports indicate that within just a few decades much of Europe will be predominantly Muslim and non-white... and this isn't some conspiracy theory bullshit, it's actual fact backed by evidence. Meanwhile, places like Japan (which is highly homogenous) are slowly going extinct because people aren't reproducing. They're just working themselves to death and the population is aging. Japan as we know it could literally cease to exist by the end of this century at this rate unless something changes.

I could go on and on and on about this topic. I think life was better before smart phones, before ubiquitous high-speed internet, etc. What's really sad to me is thinking about younger people who have never known a life that didn't include internet and cell phones. They have no idea what they're missing, and to them, living in a society without those things probably seems primitive and boring to them. I feel like everything was more 'real' back then. It was more connected where it matters - locally. I feel like living in modern society is like being bombarded with poison and mind control constantly. It's soul-sucking.   

« Last Edit: March 18, 2019, 11:13 AM by skunk3 »

Offline STRGRN

Re: Is the world getting worse?
« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2019, 04:13 PM »
Couldn't agree more skunk. Collectivism and progressivism are a plague to humanity. The solution is individualism and conservatism.

Offline Kradie

Re: Is the world getting worse?
« Reply #21 on: March 18, 2019, 04:30 PM »
Couldn't agree more skunk. Collectivism and progressivism are a plague to humanity. The solution is individualism and conservatism.

Same, I couldn't put it better myself. It feels like skunk's text was dragged from my subconscious mind.

At this rate, humanity is heading to a dystopia cyberpunk future. Sci-fi turns to reality, it is actually frightening thought.

I just hope there won't be a super villain who will eradicate mankind to ''save'' it.

But I guess there will be ''freedom fighters'' in the future, and they will likely be tagged as terrorists. You already see this online, if you speak your mind like say Skunk here have, you are quick to be labeled as a bot, bigotry, sexist, racist and so on.

Offline TheMadCharles

Re: Is the world getting worse?
« Reply #22 on: March 19, 2019, 02:18 PM »
phone-only normies is a topic for another thread IMO


Offline Anubis

Re: Is the world getting worse?
« Reply #23 on: March 20, 2019, 08:22 PM »
We are closing in on a transitional era for humanity, that means practical skills like cooking, house making etc. all become mundane and unimportant because we will have technology slowly, bit by bit replace all day to day chores. We also work towards a society where we have more people than jobs, that means more people will have no actual job that benefits the civilization and need to be occupied elsewhere. It's not as bad as some of you make it out to be, yes, we are losing our "traditional" life where everything is clearly separated with family and job and technology. It all melts itself into everything we use and care about. At one point resources and energy will become a lot less valuable to us and we will freely distribute the wealth more equally once the majority of goods are produced by machines that are fueled by free energy. I think everything we currently develop is still more positive than negative once it's done. The main issue is that money and as a result of this driving factor, corruption and lobby work has too much say in our world.

A lot of skunks complaints are very subjective, which makes sense since he speaks his mind, but when judging if the world is getting worse you have to be as objectively as possible. Things like buying a music record online or in a store with a physical copy are completely irrelevant and don't determine if the world is getting worse. If that was the case you could make a case that since the start of humanity the world has gotten worse because instead of using cattle plough we are now using tractors that let us cultivate more efficiently. Efficiency does not undermine respect for the art. It's all more accessible and because of that, a faster world. Is a faster world inherently bad? No, it just works faster and has no impact on you individually unless you let it be. A human does not work faster than 100 years ago, our muscles and brain power is the same as before. We just utilize the brain and muscle power in a more efficient way through the use of technology which then seems like we live faster. The farmer from 100 years ago was just as exhausted after work as any of us that work a physical demanding job, probably even more since less protection for his well-being was in place.

Most of us are in the mid 30s, and I remember it crystal clear when I was young and the "old generation" of 30+ complain about the new stuff, I always said I will be open to change, I accept the world is ever-changing and since profit/capitalism hasn't changed, anything that currently changes is the same that would happen 30 years ago, just that technology wasn't as developed to do it. If 30 years ago smart phones were a possibility, they would have existed. So they are not bad or worse, they just weren't feasible to realize, and as long as money is the driving factor we will continue to see faster aka. more efficient use of our time. In the end most consumer technology is to save time, being able to play games on your phones saves time to do other things when you come home from work. I see this as a positive not a negative. We end up with more time when everything works faster. The problem is, that most individuals feel "forced" to do everything. You can still enjoy a full evening of reading and turn off your connection to the "cyber world". People just don't have the will power and you are 100% to blame if you find yourself in such a situation. You are still in control of your life, don't watch stupid mainstream news, or tv shows. There is so much available to you, you just have to pick and choose. Or choose to close the channels and press "x" and do something offline. ;D
« Last Edit: March 20, 2019, 08:27 PM by Anubis »

Offline nino

Re: Is the world getting worse?
« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2019, 04:25 PM »
I Agree with you!

years ago my granddad used to buy slaves to work on his farm!! now i have to pay these putos!!! porraa  >:(

jk ae!!! slavery sucks!!!! cos king!!1

Offline skunk3

Re: Is the world getting worse?
« Reply #25 on: March 23, 2019, 03:10 AM »
We are closing in on a transitional era for humanity, that means practical skills like cooking, house making etc. all become mundane and unimportant because we will have technology slowly, bit by bit replace all day to day chores. We also work towards a society where we have more people than jobs, that means more people will have no actual job that benefits the civilization and need to be occupied elsewhere. It's not as bad as some of you make it out to be, yes, we are losing our "traditional" life where everything is clearly separated with family and job and technology. It all melts itself into everything we use and care about. At one point resources and energy will become a lot less valuable to us and we will freely distribute the wealth more equally once the majority of goods are produced by machines that are fueled by free energy. I think everything we currently develop is still more positive than negative once it's done. The main issue is that money and as a result of this driving factor, corruption and lobby work has too much say in our world.

A lot of skunks complaints are very subjective, which makes sense since he speaks his mind, but when judging if the world is getting worse you have to be as objectively as possible. Things like buying a music record online or in a store with a physical copy are completely irrelevant and don't determine if the world is getting worse. If that was the case you could make a case that since the start of humanity the world has gotten worse because instead of using cattle plough we are now using tractors that let us cultivate more efficiently. Efficiency does not undermine respect for the art. It's all more accessible and because of that, a faster world. Is a faster world inherently bad? No, it just works faster and has no impact on you individually unless you let it be. A human does not work faster than 100 years ago, our muscles and brain power is the same as before. We just utilize the brain and muscle power in a more efficient way through the use of technology which then seems like we live faster. The farmer from 100 years ago was just as exhausted after work as any of us that work a physical demanding job, probably even more since less protection for his well-being was in place.

Most of us are in the mid 30s, and I remember it crystal clear when I was young and the "old generation" of 30+ complain about the new stuff, I always said I will be open to change, I accept the world is ever-changing and since profit/capitalism hasn't changed, anything that currently changes is the same that would happen 30 years ago, just that technology wasn't as developed to do it. If 30 years ago smart phones were a possibility, they would have existed. So they are not bad or worse, they just weren't feasible to realize, and as long as money is the driving factor we will continue to see faster aka. more efficient use of our time. In the end most consumer technology is to save time, being able to play games on your phones saves time to do other things when you come home from work. I see this as a positive not a negative. We end up with more time when everything works faster. The problem is, that most individuals feel "forced" to do everything. You can still enjoy a full evening of reading and turn off your connection to the "cyber world". People just don't have the will power and you are 100% to blame if you find yourself in such a situation. You are still in control of your life, don't watch stupid mainstream news, or tv shows. There is so much available to you, you just have to pick and choose. Or choose to close the channels and press "x" and do something offline. ;D


The reason why I say that getting music online vs. going to a physical store and buying physical media is 'worse' is a combination of a few things:

1. Hardly anyone actually PAYS for music anymore, so it's taken for granted. There are a lot of people who pay for services like Spotify and others, but that's a relatively paltry amount of money compared to actually buying albums. CDs were roughly $15 each when they were popular... a single Spotify account is what, $5? There's also a lot of people who pay for digital files but let's be real... most people just download mp3/flac files or if they are super lazy they will just listen to something via YouTube.

2. People are potentially more exposed to music than ever before, which means that not only is it taken for granted (oversaturation) but they also get turned off, even subconsciously, because they have to sift through so much garbage to find good stuff that resonates with them. This results in an overall drop in interest. This is especially true on Soundcloud, etc.

3. Most people these days aren't audiophiles and listen to their music with shitty ear buds or Bluetooth speakers that sound like garbage, so they aren't getting the full experience of music. I also feel like car audio enthusiasts are a bit more rare than they used to be but that's just speculation. In my experience it seems that most people are very casual music listeners these days. I remember in the 80's and the 90's virtually everyone had a decent hi-fi system in their house and/or a home theater system with a good amp and speakers. I don't know ANYONE these days with a home theater sound system. AT BEST they have a soundbar under their TV, which of course sounds like crap in comparison.

4. Not having to go to a physical store = not having to put in actual real life effort = people take it for granted and it loses some of its value/appeal.

5. Songwriting in general has just gotten so boring and lazy in comparison to decades up to the 90's, and younger people don't know any better unless they dig.


I DO think that things being faster and more efficient kind of is a bad thing in certain ways. It places higher expectations on people, which is more stressful. The internet is creating whole classes of people who refuse to engage in real life because they can virtually interact with people via the internet. It's really sad. People can get away with being complete shut-ins these days because the internet allows them to. They can work from home, order food online, order groceries, order basically everything they need to survive. Heck, they can even get a prostitute lol.

Offline skunk3

Re: Is the world getting worse?
« Reply #26 on: March 23, 2019, 03:24 AM »
It's truly sad how annoying women have become. I live in a very liberal city and if you want a shot with women here you basically have to act like a beta cuck fuckboy, unless you are black, in which case you can treat women like dog shit and they will never leave you. If you support Trump even in the slightest people think you are a piece of shit. If you have anything bad to say about Obama, Clinton, Sanders, etc... you're also a piece of shit. If you think progressive values suck, you're either ignorant or a piece of shit. Or both. If don't support every new social justice warrior hot topic you're a bigoted hater. If you don't praise feminism and kiss ass by saying things like "women can do anything men can do, but not vice-versa" then good luck. On top of all of those nauseating personality traits, tons of women these days are covered in tattoos and piercings, which I think looks like absolute shit.

Offline Anubis

Re: Is the world getting worse?
« Reply #27 on: March 23, 2019, 10:50 AM »
It's truly sad how annoying women have become. I live in a very liberal city and if you want a shot with women here you basically have to act like a beta cuck fuckboy, unless you are black, in which case you can treat women like dog shit and they will never leave you. If you support Trump even in the slightest people think you are a piece of shit. If you have anything bad to say about Obama, Clinton, Sanders, etc... you're also a piece of shit. If you think progressive values suck, you're either ignorant or a piece of shit. Or both. If don't support every new social justice warrior hot topic you're a bigoted hater. If you don't praise feminism and kiss ass by saying things like "women can do anything men can do, but not vice-versa" then good luck. On top of all of those nauseating personality traits, tons of women these days are covered in tattoos and piercings, which I think looks like absolute shit.

Well then do it? If you wanna get laid then just act the way the women want you to act and avoid the women that are not your taste and look. I have no problem acting out of person to get what I want if I truly desire it, especially with strangers that I will not include in my life after I got what I want.

If you want a true relationship then what's the matter? Of course many women you encounter won't fit you, that's why there are millions of divorces and lonewolfs that stay single for years. If you are not adapting then less and less women will find you attractive/interesting because they expect their men to act a certain way. Basically, if you are not mainstream, then it will take a significant longer time to find people you enjoy spending time with. 

Now about the music:

1: Giving that there is MORE music than ever before I don't see the issue, I can't even keep up with new releases in my single favorite genre (melodic death metal), sure it is pretty niche so probably 50% of the releases I listen to are hobby musicians that just enjoy publishing their music but it can't be that bad if we have so much music everywhere. The high profile musicians (the very successful ones) make a good amount of money since they also perform live and sell merchandise. Which bands / artists are you actually worried about that don't get enough money? Because imo, the ones that are semi professional and just do it after their real life job are doing it for the joy. And the professionals that go touring etc. are pretty good off. (This is all based on Metal, no clue about other genre).

2. I think that is a 1st world problem and no real issue, it is true that there are lots of garbage releases, but that's simply because there are more opportunities to release music for free, like youtube. The world ironically slowed down in that regard because MORE people have time to commit to creativity and make their own music. Yes, that means also more garbage is released but it also means more people are free and can pursue dreams.

3. I guess it's their choice so... if they enjoy it? I mean if you go to a concert (in metal), the music quality is usually crappy simply because it's about being as loud as possible so everyone can hear the music. I don't listen to music with headphones or earbuds at home, but on the go you can't carry a speaker system around with you so you are kinda forced to listen to it that way because it doesn't work otherwise. :D

4. Can't relate, walking down a street or driving a car to a store is hardly physical effort. If anything it's a social effort since you will meet people and interact.

5. Can't complain, I still find excellent metal bands and enjoy the newer works. Maybe you suffer from this as well, for me it's kinda true, I do see myself listen to older music more often. https://www.businessinsider.de/why-we-stop-discovering-new-music-around-age-30-2018-6?r=US&IR=T
« Last Edit: March 23, 2019, 11:13 AM by Anubis »

Offline Sensei

Re: Is the world getting worse?
« Reply #28 on: March 23, 2019, 03:17 PM »
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Offline Bloopy

Re: Is the world getting worse?
« Reply #29 on: May 05, 2019, 04:11 AM »
Heh @ me being the first to vote for slightly. The environment gets gradually worse on average, while the average person/family finds it harder just to live (larger percent of income spent on rent). The vastness and speed of the internet and many other things make the world better for me personally, but sure, a lot of people immerse themselves in some really dumb shit.

If you are not adapting then less and less women will find you attractive/interesting because they expect their men to act a certain way. Basically, if you are not mainstream, then it will take a significant longer time to find people you enjoy spending time with.

Sounds like me. I have a versatile personality and can get along with most people, but I just enjoy what I enjoy and have no desire to pretend. Being myself is great as it seems to naturally repel fake or shallow people. By some miracle I got hooked on the social hobby of going to see live music, so I mostly cross paths with people who have good taste. :D Still, I had to go out at least once a week for 10 years straight to collide with my soulmate/girlfriend. But I was quite happy being single rather than spending time with women I can't relate to. If most women are as annoying as skunk3 says, I couldn't care less. We may be on the wrong side of whatever the modern social equivalent of natural selection is, but it's just a popularity contest or group delusion. We can focus on our own life and what we're about.
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