Lets work on the proper 3s turn time scheme

[Uzurpator]

Darkone make sheme with random turn order and other changes,i think it best hysteria sheme ever =)

[DarkOne]

Coste your scheme looks like AERIAL......... 

I was thinking the same thing!

Darkone make sheme with random turn order and other changes,i think it best hysteria sheme ever =)

aww, shucks, thanks It's too bad not enough people agree with you on that

[lacoste]

I dont want to think its my scheme. There were many hysteria variations before and Aerial is one of them. But ye, its weaponry and 3s turn inspired few of us, i guess. Point is, the concept is for sure interesting as far as my imagination goes and we should really focus to balance it out for league use.

[darKz]

Even with random turn order it's still possible to abuse piling to an extent but it's a step in the right direction.

And yes this is kinda turning into Aerial.

[fr4nk]

I'm totally with lacoste, or at least reducing teleports will decrease the chance of watching such shameful darksiding games and make teleport kill be used only when needed (you know you can tie hysteria games the 90% of times just by teleporting?).

[TheKomodo]

I'm totally with lacoste, or at least reducing teleports will decrease the chance of watching such shameful darksiding games and make teleport kill be used only when needed (you know you can tie hysteria games the 90% of times just by teleporting?).

This is also another beautiful thing of Hysteria that adds to competition, both players are aware of this fact, and if you feel more confident to draw and rematch then start fresh, than you do to try and come out and make that 1 crucial shot, take that 1 chance that if you miss even slightly, you lose.

I usually go for the 1 shot lol.

It's so exciting xD

[lacoste]

Cool, but you have 2 active topics with hysteria involved. That one is about new scheme.

[DarkOne]

Even with random turn order it's still possible to abuse piling to an extent but it's a step in the right direction.

Turn order abuse is also possible in shopper, elite, Team17 (in sd), Intermediate (if your opponent uses all his worm selects early on) and WxW. If you think turn order abuse is be definition a bad thing, then you should complain about the use thereof in those schemes as well You should be able to arm yourself against a certain degree of turn order abuse in every scheme.

I think the main problem everybody has with turn order abuse is that it's too powerful. Random turn order is my way to nerf that tactic (or let's be honest, lack thereof) so that at least somebody has to pay close attention to the turn order before they can use it - without having to add a rule about no abusive suicides and such.
Making teleports scarce will also do that, but it will limit your movements a whole lot, which is especially a bad thing if your starting positions sucked. Worm placement is a must if you're going to limit the amount of teleports imo.

But you don't have to take my word for it  Experiment around with schemes, see how they play out. Another way to see how scheme changes work is to host a shopper cup or tournament with your respective scheme variations. I've hosted a couple of random turn order hysteria cups and just look in this thread: Uzurpator brought up my scheme even before I had a chance to do that
Aerial is another magnificent example (perhaps much better than my scheme variation) - 3 cups and there are already people pushing towards putting it in the main league (and not the scheme creator himself).
If your scheme is good, support will come, as long as people are exposed to it. I fully support experimental cup

[Kaleu]

0 sec sd, starts with water rise slowly looks great.
The weapons and worm turn orders should keep as it is.

[darKz]

Even with random turn order it's still possible to abuse piling to an extent but it's a step in the right direction.

Turn order abuse is also possible in shopper, elite, Team17 (in sd), Intermediate (if your opponent uses all his worm selects early on) and WxW. If you think turn order abuse is be definition a bad thing, then you should complain about the use thereof in those schemes as well You should be able to arm yourself against a certain degree of turn order abuse in every scheme.

I think the main problem everybody has with turn order abuse is that it's too powerful.

The thing is, in other schemes you have 20 or even 45 seconds turn time, that's lots of time to work on a countermeasure against the piling - i.e. rope to the pile and kill both worms, happens quite frequently in Elite. In Hysteria however you only have 1 second, which basically means you're screwed once you get piled.

And yes, that's why it's too powerful.

[lacoste]

Okay, so after today im sure theres no place for bat in this scheme. Id maybe find some occasions to use it, but anything else works as well and having it in F6 weapon menu just after girder makes it almost impossible to pick from jetpack without loosing control in tough situations (not that it cant be picked on the ground). *removing*

Mortar seem to be useless, ive no clue when it could be needed. *removing*

Another thing that we tested was number of worms. There was almost no difference in game lenght with 4 and 6 worms per player (both scenarios finished far before SD). Im not sure which option to keep yet, placement rape in case of 6 worms can be hella demanding on teleports. Definitely needs more testing.

[darkmaul]

nice scheme, mole is a nice weap against darksiding!

[Desetroyah]

mole is a nice weap against darksiding

mole vs dark-siding...

dark-siding... dark side... mole... maul... Dark..maul

[ShyGuy]

Even with random turn order it's still possible to abuse piling to an extent but it's a step in the right direction.

Turn order abuse is also possible in shopper, elite, Team17 (in sd), Intermediate (if your opponent uses all his worm selects early on) and WxW. If you think turn order abuse is be definition a bad thing, then you should complain about the use thereof in those schemes as well You should be able to arm yourself against a certain degree of turn order abuse in every scheme.

I think the main problem everybody has with turn order abuse is that it's too powerful.

The thing is, in other schemes you have 20 or even 45 seconds turn time, that's lots of time to work on a countermeasure against the piling - i.e. rope to the pile and kill both worms, happens quite frequently in Elite. In Hysteria however you only have 1 second, which basically means you're screwed once you get piled.

And yes, that's why it's too powerful.

exactly what I was going to say.  1 second turns make piling a broken strategy.  Just reducing the turn time to 3 seconds helps a lot. 

This scheme is pretty good.  The moles are a great edition - lacoste and I played 3 or 4 times today, and an unsuspected mole shot ended two of the games when we were both trying to semi-darkside

[Kaleu]

If such modification gonna happen, leave it for the ppl who like the scheme and play without a single complain, not a bunch of hyst whiners haters .