barman and his bng skillz

[Peja]

well komo i dont know why you call it unfair, since everyone has access to it. i just talk about the definition of fairness here.its not like in blackjack (hi ropa) where the player gets advantage with cardcounting against the bank. everyone can learn it = everyone has same options. where is the unfair advantage?

[Aerox]

well komo i dont know why you call it unfair, since everyone has access to it. i just talk about the definition of fairness here.its not like in blackjack (hi ropa) where the player gets advantage with cardcounting against the bank. everyone can learn it = everyone has same options. where is the unfair advantage?

Your only argument (or the only one I'm reading) is that everyone has access to it so it's fair. Everyone can learn card counting too, plenty of free methods and guides on the internet. And there's no difference between an advantage towards a bank, a league, a player or a monkey, it's still an advantage that goes against the spirit* of the scheme.

*whilst this might be a subjective term I'm pretty sure anyone can buy into the idea that Bng isn't supposed to be played with markers. And if you don't buy into the idea then at least be coherent in the rules, for instance: most people agree that abusing 4sec shots, repeating shots and not reaming are all considered cheap. You can't ignore the principle of why these rules exist, or what they do: they prevent any shot that is not done exclusively by instinct. Having markers, in paper or in your head is a legal loop hole, a way around this rule. This is why I originally labeled them as legal cheats.

[Dub-c]

So using an external aid for bng goes against the spirit of the scheme, but using keychange for multiple spaces and modding your keyboard doesn't?

[avirex]

dev: there is nothing questionable about any other schemes, barman will own you.

ropa: you cant compare card counting to notching...  notching is not, and should not be illegal, its a mechanic of the game..  do you think its illegal to learn exactly where to drop a mine/dyno to know exactly where and how far the worm will fly? its the same principle... as far as keeping notes, if that was his method of learning it, then so be it... as long as he does not use it in league games, then its ok (who knows if he uses it or not during league games... i question that)

komo: you never...ever... ever ever ever ever, miss an opportunity to tell us how great you are, do you??? please, tell us more.

[Devilage]

stoker!

[TheKomodo]

I am on topic avi - you are not, so shutup.

peja, if you can't understand why it isn't fair after everything been said so far, you never will understand, sorry.

[TheWalrus]

ropa: you cant compare card counting to notching...  notching is not, and should not be illegal, its a mechanic of the game..  do you think its illegal to learn exactly where to drop a mine/dyno to know exactly where and how far the worm will fly? its the same principle... as far as keeping notes, if that was his method of learning it, then so be it... as long as he does not use it in league games, then its ok (who knows if he uses it or not during league games... i question that)

Avi makes a compelling point here, starting to change my mind actually, but lets consider the more important part here, about why WA is like cards.  Card counting IS legal, thats why people who count cards aren't arrested.  Their winnings can be confiscated though and they are banned from casinos.  Cheaters who use aids to try and beat the slot machines and throw loaded dice at the craps table are arrested, for the record.  So, if we are truly comparing TUS to a casino (why the f@#!) the house would decide if it is allowed or not.  The players don't have a say.  So MI and the dream team are in charge.


And just for shits and giggles:

Pretty much the same goes for Poker players and hand probability calculators or so. I'm sure there are such programs and players use it (or use it till a particular point when they memorize it/caclutate by themselfes) for online tournamets.

Programs are useless for card probabilities, counting the number of cards left in the deck that can help you win is so impossibly easy only someone simple minded would need a calculator.  The only thing a probability calculator could teach someone is basic math and how to do division, lol.

[avirex]

komo why do you say its unfair? you learned to notch, and all though you will never admit it, you still do, you just know that notches by heartbecause you have played so much bng...

and even if you don't admit it.. lets just go ahead and say you don't, and never do notch.. your knowledge of notching in the past has a direct link to your ability and skill now..  buti have a feeling you won't admit that either....

anyone that wants to learn to notch has all the information needed to do so..  but its not easy, it sill takes practice, and its still not one hundred percent after that... i think notching is a skill.. having a cheat sheet at your desk for each notch how ever is not.

[Anubis]

Yeah, even when getting rid of all visual aids and just aiming by feel you will always know that this certain angle is half the screen, this is 1/3 of a screen etc. That's the nature of the human and you can't even do anything against it, it would be illogical to tell yourself to forget it, and it would not work either. Anyone that notched is brand marked by it until the end of the day lol. It works subconscious so there's no way around it.

[TheKomodo]

Lol avi, you are so pathetic it's hilarious, you just jealous because you are an average player at every scheme ever invented, you don't excel at anything in life.

Only shots I learned how to notch 1st are 4s and 5s LG, and low zook winds, I learned everything else by instinct, and THEN I wanted to see if it was possible to notch them, so I did, I found it interesting.

And just goes to show you don't pay attention, I just said in my previous post, I started notching again last year against other notchers & lame players, jeez, learn to f@#!in read numbnuts.

[Statik]

being an average usa boy must be really boring, I would cry and kill myself

[Kaleu]

Cover yourself guys, avirex vs komo is bout to ruin another thread.

[Aerox]

about why WA is like cards. 

the only reason I used said comparison (and I know you're aware but just to clarify) is because it's the same f@#!ing thing on all levels.

Anyone can learn it providing will or drive coupled with effort and/or talent.
You're not breaking any game rules.
It's still banned (mostly) from being used because it breaks the practical even ground of competition. Not the absolute one mind. The latter would argument that because anyone can learn it it's ok. Which is exactly the only argument I'm hearing people use.

Now, in order to get your head around this line of thought you need to leave absolute logic aside. It might be logical to think it's fair and not against the game's spirit because anyone can learn it and yet if everyone could card count black jack would cease to exist. If everyone could notch, Bng would be destroyed and changed into what MI described earlier.

My only argument is that whilst absolutist conclusions are okay more important is the product and that's what must prevail; you have to be able to see the whole picture in order to protect it.

[nino]

being an average usa boy must be really boring, I would cry and kill myself

But i heard the winter at russia is depressing too

[avirex]

ok ropa.. i do see your point....

but you say "if everyone can notch" as if its easy to learn/master.


its kind of like saying if everyone learns to ttrr like statik, this scheme is going to be ruined.... i think its gonna be a while b4 everyone is on that level no?


komo: where did that even come from? i just find it funny you never miss a chance to tell us how great you are...    and "if thats your opinion, your are entitled to your opinion" but, maybe i dont excel to your standards, the greatest worms player ever! but i have excelled to my own...  i been on this game for many years ,im 27 years old, do you think i care if im the best??  suck my rope!