It is indeed 8-UP WIT DA FUNK. (Ate up with the funk)

Always funny to see people being so hopeful about new Worms games when they've f@#!ed us over so many times, and every time harder than the previous time. I'm guilty of it too. It pains me so to see such an incredible game format being shat all over.

Unfortunately they make the games with the two main ideas in their head being "lol banana bomb" and "how to make money with the smallest amount of work". They don't care about making a Worms game for hardcore wormers. They aim it for kids and casual gamers.

Of course they promise all kinds of stuff and say they will listen to the community, they've always claimed that, but every goddamn time the games are complete failures with maybe a couple of nice new ideas and features.

This time it sure seems they're moving to a better direction, but I bet it will be seriously lacking in many areas and abandoned by Team17 really soon after launch.

@skunk3:

Jonno said on the Steam forums

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"Just been playing around on my a build I have access to.

You will be able to redefine F-keys to weapon lines on PC. "

I really, really doubt it will be "fully customizable", but it's a step forward in either case.

How you so sure about the crossplay feature? Danny said:

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Crossplay between PC and PS4 won't be supported at launch, but it's something we can look into in the future

This to me sounds like there's about 1% chance of it happening. Crossplay would be a mess anyway, even though it would help with the community size.

What did you think I meant by "fully customizable?" Macros? Or the order in which pressing an fkey will bring up a weapon or utility? People have expressed a desire for fully customizable fkeys, so if it is already possible to assign weapon lines to fkeys, I doubt that making it FULLY customizable will be beyond the scope of possibility. Team17 is aware that we want these features.

As far as the crossplay goes, crossplay is scheduled to be a feature at launch for PC, Mac, (possibly Linux), and Xbox One. W.M.D. isn't scheduled to be released for PS4 until around Q4 this year... so when W.M.D. is released for every other platform, it won't be out for PS4 for several months later. I see no reason why they would make it crossplay compatible with every format EXCEPT FOR PS4. That just doesn't make any sense.

I fully understand why one would be skeptical regarding any new Worms game. However, I don't agree with you about the series getting consistently worse, nor do I think that Team17 doesn't care. W.M.D. is proof that they care and listen to the fans. Fans wanted something as close to W:A as possible, and that is what they are attempting to deliver. There's a lot of things about the newer Worms games that pisses me off, but they're not completely worthless games by any stretch of the imagination. The problem is mainly threefold:

1. The Team17 that created games like W:A and WWP is largely non-existent anymore. It's basically all new people trying to innovate with each title instead of just sticking with what works and expanding on it.
2. The games have been designed from the ground up as multi-format games, meaning they are essentially console games even if you own them for PC. This in and of itself is the primary reason why the newer games haven't been able to live up to W:A. (no global chat lobby, no text chat for consoles, little customization, etc...)
3. The community for all of the newer Worms games is extremely divided due to a lack of cross play support, so people lose interest and it becomes hard to find matches/players.

The newer games haven't been "failures." The only reason you think this way is because you are comparing them to W:A and lamenting what isn't there instead of appreciating them on their own without comparing them to previous titles.

Team17 has never expressed so much commitment to making a Worms game for the old school fans. They've never been as receptive to feedback and criticism. I truly, genuinely feel that they are trying, but W.M.D. isn't going to be perfect. While I do like the fact that we will have cross-platform play, it leaves console gamers at a huge disadvantage. Console players rarely have keyboards hooked up, so they won't be text chatting, only voice chat. This means that they aren't going to be vocal in games or in the global chat lobby. Also, if the rope truly does live up to the W:A rope (or close), there's no way in hell that they are going to keep up with someone playing w/ a keyboard.

I've had a bunch of private chats with Team17 staff about this game and they legitimately sound passionate about making this game excellent. I choose to remain optimistic. I'm going to buy the game regardless just to show my support. I know that some W:A purists are going to hate the game no matter what and nitpick it to death. What I've found about the newer Worms games is that even if I hated them at launch, I eventually grew to love them... even Worms Reloaded, which is probably the worst game of the series IMO. Even Reloaded is still a fun game. You just gotta evaluate each game on its own merits instead of hoping for a W:A clone.

I have taken the time to personally address each and every flaw of the new games vs. W:A with the devs and explained why we need this or that change/feature/option. If they do f@#! up and leave out something crucial, it definitely isn't because they weren't aware of it.

If W.M.D. turns out great, you can thank me and the other handful of people who harass Team17 daily.

Quote from: skunk3 on April 23, 2016, 03:10 PM

10. It is a possibility that they will allow players to add bot teams for online multiplayer.

"a possibility"
meh...

Quote from: skunk3 on April 23, 2016, 03:10 PM

13. Only one player per computer/system for online matches... which I don't see as a huge issue anyway since most people who add 2 teams are lying anyway.

Putting such a restriction is... a bad idea, to say the least.
Point 1: In W:A, teams' names in lobby share their color with teams' owner's nickname, which makes this tactic quite obvious, and therefore ineffective.
Point 2: In case of 1v1ing schemes which require a high number of worms per alliance, adding more teams per player is what people usually do. Take Drown Syndrome as an example.
Maybe you could tell T17 to change their minds?


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Quote from: skunk3 on April 23, 2016, 04:12 PM

I should record and upload some BG gameplay footage sometime just so I can show you guys how cheap these newer players are.

even cheaper than these 2?
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What the devs said about being able to add bots to online matches is that if there's enough community outreach for that option, they'd consider it. Judging by the reactions on the Steam forums, it is a highly desired feature. A lot of people want that option, myself included.

Can you not change the color of a second team hosted from the same PC? It's been so long since I've tried that I literally can't remember. For some reason I was thinking that you could do that.

How many schemes actually require more than 8 worms per team? (Wtf is drown syndrome? lol)

I don't see an issue with Team17 capping the number of teams per device at one for online play. Sure, I'd like to see the OPTION, but I don't really care since nobody I know IRL gives a flying f@#! about Worms.

Could someone concisely explain to me why one would WANT a reset? Bear in mind that I have nothing to do with TUS and haven't played a ranked match in years. I guess I just don't understand why anyone would want a reset unless something is currently broken... ?

It was such a trip reading through this thread. It's kinda sad though. Countless hours spent playing with people and really getting to know them, only for them to move on and lose touch. There are some names in this thread that I had completely forgotten about. I dunno how anyone could be super active in a game and then just 'retire.' Even though I take breaks from W:A sometimes, I could never just stop playing completely. I wish we had the contact info for all of these older players so we could get them back. Modern games blow, and W:A these days just isn't nearly as fun as it used to be. It's dull. 99% of the funny/interesting/rad people are gone. I'd love to see weirdo like MrE, Goaty, SilentMime, erod, and Fizix trolling the f@#! out of people. I wish there were more uptight buttholes like CheechLizard to harass. I absolutely hate the fact that almost everyone I knew is gone.

Everyone is going to have different opinions on who is/was best at what, depending upon their own relative skill level at the time, the skill level of the person they are talking about, the era in which this familiarity was bred, other players who were also active at the time, etc. Some people have gotten better or worse with time.

Quote from: skunk3 on April 23, 2016, 03:57 PM

The main problem is that you will often find yourself in 2 or 3 vs. 1 matches... because that community is a bunch of turds for the most part and friends will team up with you and do everything possible to kill you, including killing themselves.

you basically described W:A's HostingBuddy-made Intermediate games

Yeah, I imagine that most of those "!host normal" games are being hosted by noobs who don't understand W:A's implicit code of ethics.

On that note, the main thing that bugs me about the newer Worms games is that none of the players have any honor. There's no rules in any scheme, either. It's just a big, noobtastic, free-for-all. I should record and upload some BG gameplay footage sometime just so I can show you guys how cheap these newer players are. I've tried explaining to them that if you work with your friend(s) and single out an enemy, you're not developing skills. All you're doing is trolling. W:A is great because people know how to act. People understand that there are rules to schemes and that you can't just do whatever you want.

I am hoping to see this sort of "Worms common sense" come back in WMD. We need W:A player support to make that happen though. The old schoolers need to serve as educators for these poor scrubs in more ways than one.

Well, BG is literally just CW for console. Dunno why Team17 insists on making things confusing. Probably because when CW launched (supposedly as a PC exclusive), they said it will be the last Worms game for quite some time. Shortly thereafter they rename CW and release it for consoles. WTF, Team17. Oh well. I actually prefer BG for PS4 because I like being able to play it on my big screen with a wireless controller. I suppose you can do that with CW as well, but meh. The PS4 version is pretty active. I never have a problem finding matches or getting people to join my hosts. Well, rarely. The main problem is that you will often find yourself in 2 or 3 vs. 1 matches... because that community is a bunch of turds for the most part and friends will team up with you and do everything possible to kill you, including killing themselves. With some schemes it's impossible to avoid a loss, but with the right scheme I can fend off 3 other players and win.