Well, when we say "learn how to rope", aren't we assuming we are talking about beginners anyway?
I didn't say people can't improve without parachute, of course they can, because it's still practise.
I'm just saying that with parachute, they will improve faster.
Entirely subjective and not documented in WA.
And of course they can practise with ldet, as a matter of fact since ldet became a thing, you can learn to rope even faster!
That is so wrong and cringe worthy man. What drugs are you on? Sure I can get by ldet being a thing in warmers though.
Also with ldet in Big RR for example, 40s no banana, it means every player gets the same amount of time roping, and it helps keeps players interested when you have like 4 players, as sometimes players will quit if everyone else is having full turns, and they are losing their turn very fast and falling incredibly far behind. I know this isn't "honorable" in your opinion, but it's fun in casual games.
Wow so communistic. It is not honorable, if you fall behind, that's your fault! Even I can fall incredible far behind.
Sure, you can get long turns without parachute, but can you get incredibly impressive turns that rival the greatest considered ropers of all time? Personally I think you are holding yourself back, but hey if you are happy we're all good
ZaR has some extremely talented ropers, and one of them is particular pain in the ass to pin down. So, are you saying that I need to practice roping with traditional settings before considering beating anyone else that exceeds my own current skills either if they are ZaR or not? Quite frankly, I never fought to be the very best, but to Improve myself. With ZaR I have, and so have everyone else in it and outside of it.
You keep saying "In ZaR roper, you remember the fail, try not to repeat it", but any successful person will tell you that you learn from your mistakes, and you keep trying over and over until you get it right, and I am confident enough to say most successful people, in many aspects of life will tell you that you will get better by pushing boundaries, by any means neccessary.
So you are saying that in order to get better faster, instant repeat by parachute save is necessary in contrast to no parachute? If that is the case, this topic will never end.
Because you don't have that safety net from using the parachute, you may indeed be more cautious, and you won't push the boundaries as much as you would with the parachute, which will probably leave you being a consistent roper, but not so much an impressive roper that pushes the boundaries.
Komodo, I have seen impressive roping combined with high consistency in ZaR. Both can be applied there, and one does not to have to be a TAS to do it. I have seen players complimenting other players on their perfectly executed turns. Turns that requires rapid momentum, precise maneuvers and tricks if necessary, tricks that can even further acceleration. If you do not believe this, you are in denial.
It is a good thing you are acknowledging that no parachute requires more consistency.
Don't think of the parachute as a crutch, think of it as an asset, like using planes to fly, using vehicles to travel, having the internet to help us learn etc, it's a good thing because it helps us to become better faster!
Sure, asset is fine. Fine for other modes.
There are a lot more training techniques than just with chute and without chute.
Yep.
My only problem I had with you in this thread Kradie, was you being negative towards people who use parachute. Instead of being clever and interesting in a way that promotes ZaR and not using parachute, you attacked a long standing tradition in this game, and called it inferior, weak, pathetic etc... And the funny thing is, you have every right to voice your opinions, but think about this, if you had said all your good opinions about not using parachute without saying any of your bad opinions about using parachute, this would have worked out a lot better for you
Worked out differently for me? Am I supposed to be in a tight spot here? Am I in trouble? Oh wow, I forgot that other in this thread attacked no parachute ropers too. Anyways man, this thread, this poll, shows one things. Majority on TuS, and legacy players are more comfortable & safe using parachute. While I, some legacy players, and new generation, are not. It is about ''Ok, I don't mind roping without parachute''. It is not a gun to their heads saying ''Rope without parachute or else!''.
Just remember the way you advertise and market certain things can have a drastic impact on how people perceive it and decide if they want to be involved or not.
Why do you think pretty much all real life advertising campaigns don't immediately attack other companies? They want to make you feel good, they want to trigger good, happy memories, not make you hate other things and trigger bad/spiteful memories, because people don't usually buy most things when they are angry!
Komodo man, I did not make this thread with the intent of advertising. I came here to voice my opinion, have other vote and reply whether they agree or not. If you think that my first post and continued replies afterward were harsh vocally, that's because I firmly believe in what I say. However, my intention were not bad, and if it seemed that way, it perhaps overshadowed the inevitable truth that imo, parachute can be good and fun alternate mode for other people instead of relying on parachute.
A random example, take Nike, their adverts don't start with "Don't wear Adidas, you're weak if you wear Adidas, wear Nike, be hardcore warrior like us!" (Although that would probably be a pretty amusing advert lol)
Boy oh boy that made me think of this
You seem to love metaphors so much, so I will give you one, something I mentioned briefly before.
In speedruns there are many categories, so for example in Super Mario The Lost Levels. You have any%, and 100% runs. You have big Mario run, and you have small Mario runs. You can choose Luigi too, and he can do any of the mentioned categories as well. However, with Luigi, you can jump so much higher and longer, but with Mario you cannot. Luigi's physics makes it easier to maneuver but with Mario your acceleration and speed is tad better. Some says Luigi is too easy to learn, so people stick with Mario. There are many other speedrun games that are similar to this.
So when you think about no parachute, think about it like this. It is its own category and you can rope and master roping just asd you could with parachute, but AGAIN EXCLUDING parachute techniques.