if the tiebreaker doesn't get played and boolc loses to monkeyisland, I don't know who to proceed between peja and senator

If boolc loses to MI, then we should play a tiebreaker with boolc as well...

edit: I think we should give boolc a chance to play a tiebreaker with us even if he and MI don't play their match.

By the way I should be ranked #1 in the group 3 since I beat Naty So my next opponent should be #2 from other group.

Tobacco and alcohol is the most expencive I think. Government want to prevent youth from start smoking obviously, and alcohol in general is highly expencive to reduce alcoholism in families. I get that.. SPW you say 1 pack of sigarettes is expencive 6 euros? I laughed, here it cost 12 euros. 1 beer in pub is 10 euros easily, a drink 15 euros. Shop stop selling beer at 8 PM, wine and vodka is sold in seperate stores closing at 5 PM. All clubs close around 2-2.30 AM!

I thought Finland is the most paternalistic society when it comes to alcohol/cigarette policy. Apparently not..

In pubs you may have to pay 6-7 euros  for a basic lager (0,5l), 8-10 euros for a drink. Beer is much cheaper in shops so people drink at home and go only to night club drunk. Pubs can't even offer "happy hour" prices anymore. Night clubs close at 4 AM but there has been debate about closing them earlier.

Shops stop selling beer at 9 PM and don't sell until 9 AM. All drinks with more than 4,7% alcohol is sold in separate stores owned by the state (monopoly). Now there has been debate about selling only 3,5% beer in shops. Cigarettes cost ~6 euros and are hidden under cashdecks so you have to know which cigarette you want.

Whenever government needs money, they raise alcohol/cigarette taxes because it's easy to justify as alcohol policy. Now we see people bringing their beer from Estonia with vans... Thanks to EU, government can't do much although they try. You can bring alcohol only for your "own use" and some other silly restrictions.

This was just first test version of the system and we need some updates before people can really start using it

- teams to be balanced, not just randomized
- arranged matches to be saved on the website under "game logs" tab
- login to be moved on the same site with other stuff. When you log in, the site will reload itself and then you are able to click "Start searching"
  - you can still browse arranged matches without logging in (otherwise MI/D1 should log in to see game logs when they solve a complaint on the forum)

The website would then look like this



After these updates I'll ask MI to add that special rule for these matches (he already said it's ok) and then we'll see if people actually use the system

Haven't seen Naty or Zobozdravnik2 on AG... I even sent a private message about the matches but no answer. I wonder if they are going to play at all.

I think it could be worth coding a system to arrange 2v2 games for TUS singles league. According to poll we have now at least 32 players willing to play ranked 2v2 non-clan matches. Players love league tables and I don't see people would play much if the matches were just funners.

I can name several types of users
- Players who don't play much 1v1 or don't care about the singles ranking that much could play some competitive 2v2 besides clanners (people take the match more seriously when it's ranked)
- Low skilled players who would have a better chance to win when the match is more balanced. Some players might even reach the playoffs by gambling (you may be lucky or unlucky with the match-up).
- Pro players who like the challenge of more even 2v2 matches and think they can still reach the playoffs. Why play 1v1 if you can reach the playoffs as well by playing 2v2 that is more funny?

I suggest these steps

1. Tomi codes a system to arrange randomized and "balanced" 2v2 games. "Find 2v2" button would be on different website and in Great Snooper as well.
 - Players can use the system only when logged in with TUS account and the system saves game logs on the website for possible complaints (if someone refuses to play the match)
   - game log would look like this: #1 Player1 & Player2 vs Player3 & Player4 10.5.2014 12.05
2. If the system is fine to MonkeyIsland, he could add a special rule (penalty points for not agreeing to play) that applies only to matches arranged via Tomi's system. So players who want to play 2v2 games this way agree this special rule and its possible consequences.

Opposite thoughts?

What's the point of having a team league if at the end of each season, you have a single player at the top of the standings, not a team? I feel all that would do is call for speculation and investigation as to why that particular player ended up #1 and not someone else ("He got randomly paired with Mablak and Random00 in 50% of his games, that vile cheater!") rather than stand to bring any sort of prestige, and hence motivation for the future, to the winner.

Well, I don't see this would be any bigger problem than with TUS singles. In singles league you can avoid certain players and look for a good match-up to get a better ranking. We might see a player ranked #1 with no matches against players ranked #2 or #3. Can you call such player the best then?

We see players ranked individually in many other team games (Counter-Strike GO, Heroes of Newerth to name a few). Clan league is kind of old thing. Even in tennis players have individual doubles ranking. It works in other games so why not in worms?

As a player, you'd have little to no control over who you partners are and would end up having to try and game the system (queue for matches together at just the right times) to get to the top with your preferred team mate, again ridding the standings at the end of the season of any real meaning and prestige.

You can't really game the system. Even if you look for a match always the same time with your friend(s), you might still end up in different matches or playing against each other. We could also have limits for playing only X number of games with same partner and/or against same opponents just like in TUS singles.

If the whole point is to simply find games for people who like to play 2v2 but have trouble organising clanners/funners, I imagine a much simpler implementation (more than likely via Tomi's snooper or a simple IRC bot) would do the trick just fine. The way I see it, there's really no real need for an entire league, here on TUS or elsewhere, unless the primary concern is to find the best player/team at X, where X is something that isn't covered by a different league or competition...

We need a league table because otherwise the matches would be just funners. We are finding the best player (not absolute) at 2v2. Now we have league tables to find the best player in 1v1 and the best clan. I would be ok with having shared league table for 1v1 and 2v2 matches. We would just then have different rules for 1v1 and 2v2 so the matches wouldn't be really comparable (in 1v1 you could select your opponent but not in 2v2). I don't see how this could work with Tomi's snooper or a simple IRC bot. We need a system to arrange random matches and penalty points for not agreeing to play. Otherwise we would have no matches because players would look just for a perfect match-up.