Quote from: Komito on August 10, 2021, 01:32 AM
The point is also that I am not psychic. There is no evidence of you telling me specifically that you had a problem during the actual entire ordeal.

You need to be a psychic to imagine that I could be extremely frustrated in playing again a game for a mistake you made?

Quote from: Komito on August 10, 2021, 01:03 AM
Now you are outright lying.
You did agree, you were not ordered to play that game there and then.

We have two options:

1) I'm a liar, dishonest and I created this whole debate imbued with bad faith.

2) it was a misunderstanding and I understood what you said as an order. By the way, If it wasn't an order, why you did not asked me if I wanted to play? At no point did you approach me to question my feeling/thinking about playing the game again.

If you look at my previous posts on the same history of private chat I had with you, you can conclude that it was really a misunderstanding. But I don't know why you are raising the hypothesis that I'm intentionally lying. Do I have a history of this for you?

Quote from: Komito on August 10, 2021, 01:03 AM
You did not even complain about this situation, or show any negative emotions about it whatsoever until the next day.

The fact that I don't express frustration immediately doesn't mean I'm not frustrated komito. Does anyone need to cry for you to know that this person is sad? So much empathy from you. At that moment I wanted to do everything you wanted and only after reflect better about your decision. And if I got upset it would be worse for my performance and my psychological (which in itself was already affected by knowing the mistake you made) in the game. After the game, I talked to other people and came to conclusion that your decision wasn't fair. Let's be honest. Who likes having the own game voided by other person mistake? No smiley faces (as you mentioned that I used this one: xD), changes the fact that it will always be bad to have a victory cancelled.

Quote from: ZorroX on August 09, 2021, 09:10 PM
2. One person said that Albus "agreed" to play rematch so he should be fine with it. Please show me a football player who was informed that his successful penalty was invalid, he must repeat is, and the footballer refused to do so... Nobody will refuse in a heat of a moment.

In fact, I didn't agree at all. I just did what was "ordered". No one asked what was my opinion or my feeling about having to play again and have my victory canceled. And that was what upset me the most. I felt terrible because it was like my opinion or what I felt about it didn't matter.

Quote from: ZorroX on August 09, 2021, 09:10 PM
If I am allowed, I just want to shed some light on 3 things.

1. You always put all your heart into the 1st match. Upon hearing that it's been all in vain, you will never play the 2nd round as good. Moreover, the person whose loss was spared instantly gains an immense boost in morale (just like Uruguay that won against Ghana in penalty shootout in 2010 after Ghana's goal was stopped by hands). So the argument that Adnan did "some great moves there" isn't fair in my opinion.

One example is drawing. I used to draw a lot. I would spend 10 hours of one bigger project. I would just be utterly demotivated to do the same as good again if it was destroyed. We all lost an essay that we spent a night on, you know this feeling.

2. One person said that Albus "agreed" to play rematch so he should be fine with it. Please show me a football player who was informed that his successful penalty was invalid, he must repeat is, and the footballer refused to do so... Nobody will refuse in a heat of a moment.

3. Komito, my friend, everybody knows you are a fantastic mod and that you have good intentions. No authority is needed here. You already earned everybody's respect. Winning is not accidental. The one who is better will win if you let them fight on a separate day, 4 days from now so that they can appear there both given 2nd chance for their morale to be the same. I think you know what's a right to do. I have damaged the good spirit of my own 2vs2 cup by my mistake, so I don't want the same to happen to this cup.

Heads up. We are all human beings. All good

Everyone is welcome to share their opinion and I appreciate you coming to do this. What happened to me can happen to anyone. Thank you for your considerations and I sign under everything you said.

Quote from: donnie on August 08, 2021, 09:10 PM
It would be much better if you asked the players what they think or if the loser felt harmed
or not instead of just arbitrary tell them to redo the matches. This, in fact, caused much more harm than good.

As my final consideration on this topic, I adopt the same line of thinking as Doonie. In situations like this in the future, I think players should be asked what they want to do. As I always say, the most important thing is fun. I don't come here looking for frustration. I was happy with the win, and a few hours later, the win was removed because they told me the match was played with 7 worms instead of 8, and I was determined to play again, for a mistake I didn't make, without anyone asking me what I thought or feel about it. I think in these situations players should be asked what they want to do. If Mega-Adnan said that the fact of having 1 less worm was a disadvantage, no problem. I would play without complaining. But he didn't say that. We played again because it was the moderators' decision.

Because of the treatment I received (which I describe here: https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/tus-discussion/tourneys-cups-reported-game-canceled-due-to-scheme-problem-noticed-later-33426/), I decided to leave this CUP in order not to disrespect the authority of the moderators. But if my absence negatively affect the course of the cup, I can play the necessary games. GL for all participants!

I decided to stay out of the CUP. Replace me please if possible. You and Dario are nice people. I don't think it's respectful to continue in the CUP and keep having that kind of conversation. I like you guys. But I don't agree with your posture as moderators.

Quote from: Komito on August 09, 2021, 04:20 PM
Ok, you are contradicting yourself there a bit.
You started off by saying it's not fair to void the game due to the mistake made by a 3rd party.
Ok, we're ok so far, however then, you said because I am the host, you and adnan act with omission and inattention

We (Me and Adnan) should pay attention. But I don't consider it as an obligation. In my opinion, this is the host's obligation (putting the correct scheme etc.).

Quote from: Komito on August 09, 2021, 03:29 PM
I hope they aren't using custom terrains.

I'm 50/50 for custom terrains, on one hand they are beautiful, creative and great for funners.

However for leagues and especially for Intermediate type scheme studying the land, objects etc is part of the skill and strategy, just like memorizing pixel perfect dynahats and other moves. Studying how animals walk and jump, worms slide, weapons bounce etc is a very important part of the game.

I don't think they should be using custom terrains that are not standard with the game as not everyone will either have or want to use wormkit and it's simply not fair.

Oh, that was the reason. It was a custom terrain. I forgot I had wkterrainsync installed. I asked if he want change but he said it was ok.

Everything I'm going to expose is in accordance with my sense of justice. The rules are made by you. I will speak the way I would like it to be. So consider this as a suggestion for future situations.

I don't think it's fair to consider that game null, due to the mistake of a third person. Your fault was direct and commissive, because you were the host. Adnan and I act with omission and inattention. But the obligation to put the correct scheme belongs to the host. Imagine the work it would be, every time someone creates a game, you go out looking at all the scheme settings. The host is responsible for selecting the correct scheme etc.

If I had been the host, I wouldn't be having this debate. I would take the blame, and the opponent would deserve a tech win for my mistake in selecting the correct scheme (not a rematch). If Adnan had made the mistake, the fairest would be for me to have the victory.

An individual cannot suffer the consequences of a third person error. Also, we must take into account that this affects the psychological of the player, who has to "win a second time" and endure the frustration of having your victory canceled and time wasted.

But then we can ask: if Adnan was not responsible for the error, just as me, he cannot be harmed by something he has not caused. That's why Adnan's opinion about it is important. Did he think he lost because he had 7 worms instead of 8? Does he think this error interfered with the result of the match?

Quote from: Komito on August 09, 2021, 01:41 PM

As i've explained countless times, which you seem to keep ignoring, yes, it is worth voiding this game, because the importance and impact of that decision will affect more than just you and Mega`Adnan.

Why do I ignore? I read the things you say, but I don't agree with your reasons. I don't know why you keep insisting in say that.

Quote from: Komito on August 09, 2021, 01:41 PM

You are the one making a big deal out of it, all i'm doing is defending my decision and explaining why, you keep choosing to ignore the importance of why the decision was made.

I said that you are making a big deal for 3 reasons:

1) it was something that didn't bother me or Mega-Adnan;

2) it was a mistake caused by you, which will very rarely happen again, so we don't need to debate the future integrity of the cup;

3) this type of decision only serve to cause unnecessary debate and frustration.

Quote from: Komito on August 09, 2021, 01:41 PM

Yes there is proportionality, i've literally explained why this decision and rule has been made after looking at the bigger picture and balancing equality for everyone.

Ok. But I don't agree with your explanation.

Quote from: Komito on August 09, 2021, 01:41 PM

For you it's 3x2, however to the Cup, as judged by the official Cup scheme, which is the only scheme that matters, it's 2:1 for Mega`Adnan.

For me and for Mega Adnan, since he said he didn't mind play with 7 worms. So, it was a fair game for us both.

This whole debate seems like we played shopper scheme instead of playing the cup scheme. But it all came down to the fact that we played with 7 worms instead of 8 worms.

Wait, won't you allow it if we want to do a rematch? I did not understand.

Quote from: Komito on August 09, 2021, 01:41 PM
This decision does not revolve around you and Mega`Adnan, this decision affects everyone who participates in the Cup.

If the only participants in the Cup were you and Mega`Adnan, and there wasn't a cash prize, and it wasn't part of the official Cup rankings, i'd allow it. However it's not, so I won't.

I'm talking about the idea of the rematch, which he proposed too.

Quote from: zuck on August 09, 2021, 01:13 PM
First game is null and void, as it was a funner according to the cup moderator:

Quote from: Dario on August 09, 2021, 12:05 PM
Yeah, sucks to think you played a cup game and in the end you were playing a funner. But sorry mate, the cup is with 8 worms.

You're just making up your own rules, which again, isn't fair to your opponent.

I'm not making my rules. I just don't agree with the decision that was made. I'm trying to come to a deal that makes me and Adnan happy ok? I'm talking to him. If it's something he doesn't like, I won't want it either.

Quote from: zuck on August 09, 2021, 12:57 PM
But you already had a rematch with the correct settings. You wanna keep playing until you win or what? That's not fair to Mega`Adnan.

If he found the first game fair and so did I, adding to the result of the second game, it's 3x2 for me. That's why I think a rematch would be interesting.