Quote from: TheKomodo on April 19, 2024, 05:01 PM
Yeah at least we have an adult checkbox for maps on TUS. Of course I'm being biased when I say it's creepy it's just an opinion lol... The odd dedication to a girl you have a crush on or whatever is fine, but it's a bit weird to see someone make SO MANY maps of scantily clad women. It becomes more of an obsession than admiration.

It's not a big deal when it's done more privately.

I wouldn't call it obsession but ok.

Thanks for your.. Opinion.

Quote from: TheKomodo on April 19, 2024, 04:33 PM
Well, it's a serious joke, it's something that's said as a joke because it's something that shouldn't need to be said to lighten the mood, but it's also deadly serious because most people, especially youngsters and your average woman shouldn't have to see creepy maps like that in the first place.

It's like the map development equivalent of stalking a girl down a dark alley foaming at the mouth.

So... Anubis was a well known clan hopper... So Kradie, you're a clan chopper?  On account of making a new clan every year and then giving it the chop lol.

(Don't look too much into this, just wanted to rhyme clan hopper with something)

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When I think of people fighting for freedom, I'm thinking men and women actually risking their lives for their country and local communities, not somebody who I assume is living in a safe comfortable place with no problems like us.

I like to defend the truth, and although I myself walk the path of promoting the freedom to think and train yourself to your human potential, I wouldn't say I'm a fighter of freedom. I'm living freedom thanks to my family, my country and my government. Sure, none of those 3 things are perfect, but they are pretty good and they could be MUCH worse!

That's why I suggested to have ''adult'' check on the host window when you click ''host'', or adult channel (not exclusively for porn duh).

That's a weird analogy there. Porn will always exist. Would you say porn prevents men from stalking and raping?

As I said publicly on discord:

QuoteI don't have much desire and motivation to play clanner. The rest of the clan aren't that active either. Because of this it was agreed between blitzed and myself it would be better for him to join an active clan.

I never cared much for the competitive scene here on WA with the exception of occasional cup games now and then. You may think and argue ''Well is that fair to the other members of the clan?''. Of course not but then again they aren't very active on here on WA. I was more Involved and driven before when I was in ob and dj. Now I have little to no desire anymore. I wouldn't say that I am a clan hopper though far from it. For the record, dF is not dead just because blitzed chose to leave.

World War II, they fought for our freedom. Nowadays this freedom is being dhallenged daily in the western world. To not put up arms is to disrespect those who fought for it. Am I soldier? No. I just speak my mind.

Quote from: TheKomodo on April 19, 2024, 03:31 PM
Ok, for starters, it was a joke Kradie... Nobody is talking about banning NSFW map content even if some people think it's creepy incel type stuff.

Sam Brown, Sam Brown...

I don't know what is a joke for you anymore. Woke news and activists agendas and messages are so damn stark, dire, and depressing, it makes me doubt that there is any hope for humanity because there is little courage and push back against this madness. That's why I am fighting for freedom!

FIGHT FOR FREEDOM!!

New clan name FFF-Kradie'zar 

Quote from: TheKomodo on April 19, 2024, 02:05 PM
Or you could just keep it in your pants while playing video games...

I don't understand? Not the pornographic part, but in general?  I am kind of worried with this thinking of yours now.. I mean, it seems to me that every time I propose something that doesn't take people's freedom away, you Immediately want to shut that down. It is like you don't want people to have a choice. If people want to play on adult maps then that's their right. You do not have the right to come here and tell them they can't. That's why I offered options.

Yes, I know Worms Armageddon is cute Innocent game that can attract younger audience, but that's why I offered options. And btw, if we are really going down this path to ban every explicit maps now which is INSANE I tell ya, then you better have all these pornographic content on TUS, and WMDB deleted too.

Keep it in your pants while playing video games... While you are at it, commit to celibacy.

Quote from: Sensei on April 19, 2024, 08:27 AM
Ideal for whom and what exactly? Are you preparing us for more weird stuff coming from you, like dozens of those naked anime girls maps you're making, updating and hosting in random games?

As a newcomer, I'd be more freaked out joining a game with you in that setup, than seeing some random idiots cursing  on WormNET.

I am not preparing anyone for anything I'm merely proposing Ideas. Ideas that could prevent choking freedom completely. But it seems to me that you may have Indirectly or unknowingly proposed an Idea: A moderated AG should prohibit explicit content, especially for games. Such content should only be tolerated in an adult channel. Perhaps ''adult'' channel is the wrong word for it? ''Unmoderated Channel'' could sound more appropriate? Either way, if you look to TUS, there is already such area where such pornographic content are accepted.

When you click ''Host'' there should be an option ''Adult content'', this could signalize for the users that that game uses explicit content.

Quote from: TheKomodo on April 17, 2024, 06:06 PM
This is what I mean though... You keep going on about "Freedom of speech" whenever we discuss WormNET moderation, yet you constantly also admit you limit freedom of speech in your own channels.

"I do allow people to discuss and share whatever that is on their mind within the confinement of reason, as long as it is kept orderly and civilized" - So in otherwords, exactly everything I and others here have been saying the entire time. When it comes to FoS, you contradict yourself with your own actions quite often. Though, don't take that as negative insult because in this case it is not, it's a good thing that your actions resemble the truth, even if your words don't sometimes.

Yes, it would be nice if EVERYONE could live without rules, and laws etc... That just isn't the world we live in yet, we are not evolved enough as a species collectively.

Your problem is the same problem I have sometimes... The ideal world we wished we lived in, and the world we actually live in, are 2 different things and we cannot expect everyone to be on that level of a dream world yet, we're just not evolved enough yet.

Confinement of Reason can be easily defined by anyone who has a particular mindset that correlates to their Ideology and beliefs. I would like think that most people have common sense and are capable of rational thinking. Example: On my server I do allow for people discuss politics, taboo, and edgy topics if only it is kept orderly and civilized. I do not allow for people to target others with ill-intent practices like insulting and labelling others This would only help to validate their vanity and encourage cult like behavior, and it would create a negative environment. Ultimately, it is behavior that matters. Bad behavior creates bad environment and vice versa.

Since both Wormnet and my server are about Worms, would people like to enter a place where they see a e.g a political discussion? Probably not, but they have the freedom to Ignore it and focus at the task at hand to play the game. People should not be timed out, and banned because they talk about a topic that they are passionate about ONLY if it is uncivilized and cruel.

Unfortunately not a lot of people have the ability to accept that people have a different viewpoint than their own. People are more focused about being right, and convincing others so much that their hubris overshadow all reason. So no matter what topics in general, the risk factor of falling out with someone with opposing view can be great if both aren't capable of civilized behavior.

Luckily on discord, you can have channels for off topic and other channels for this and that. Nobody is forced to go to these channels. That is why I think adult channel would be Ideal on wormnet.

QuoteI like the idea. Additionally perhaps it's worth to add a system that checks player's age in their steam account to grant them access to the adult channel if they're 18+ (not sure if it's possible to implement).

Btw minimal moderation/filtering must be even in the adult channel anyway. There are lots of things which can't be tolerated: sharing someone's personal data, spreading malicious links, spamming huge amount of messages and many other ones which I even don't wanna mention.

However I have also an alternative simplier solution. Since the in-game chat (not the WormNET's or the lobby's one) has no moderation/filters and also no clickable links support, probably it makes sense just to turn the clickable links support off for the adult channel, at least for a beginning. Most likely the moderation/filters shall be added to the in-game chat as well sooner or later.

I am no programmer but I have this feeling that it won't be easy nor possible to Implement a system where WA checks user profile on steam, let alone GOG, and CD version.

I moderate my own Worms Server, and I try my best to keep it clean from spam, malicious links, and bad people. However, I do allow people to discuss and share whatever that is on their mind within the confinement of reason, as longest it is kept orderly and civilized. If similar mentality and order e.g MonkeyIsland, could come to adult channel, then that would be great. But then again people who logs onto WormNET normally has 1 goal, to play game, and not to look for discussions on whatever. But people do chat and talk to each other anyway, at least there would be an option.

You already have the option to Ignore people in game (ctrl+F1 2 3 4+). Though this method is not visible and obvious.

Quote from: Zalo the moler on April 16, 2024, 07:04 PM
MonkeyIsland for the president! Well said!

I would endorse that. TUS has become a much more friendlier place in recent times. Before when the moderation were looser, people would often get away by being cruel to one another, and more topics were allowed to talk about as well. Sad thing is.. As much as I love that all topics should be allowed, a civilized discussion is hard to maintain, personal attacks and Insults are bond to happen. You would expect grownups would behave, but they don't always. I just remember that Worms WMD thread, where many people ripped on that guy Jono? I think that was the name of him. He was friendly.

If moderation would take place on WormNET, how would it be? Would it only be in the main channels? Or would it extend to host rooms and in-games?

Quote from: MonkeyIsland on April 16, 2024, 09:20 AM
@kradie,
The street example is not a good analogy for WormNET. People passing on a street don't have anything in common. You could say WormNET is like a club or a bar. People who enter the club/bar may not know each other but they are looking to experience something similar. Now everytime you go to the bar you see people vomiting or having a bar fight, even though none of them are targeted at you, it definitely impacts your experience of that bar/club.

What you said here makes a lot of sense to me. So if I understand you right that ''Experience'' is more Important than Freedom of Speech? It's like in kindergarten, you work there to provide the kids security and a good experience. Only an Irrational crazy person would wish to oppose this.

Keep in mind, most of what I have said here has not been associated with law and order, but with common sense and rational thinking. I am no Idiot I understand in a working society you need law and order. In some places you shouldn't talk about this and that, everyone know this.

I guess my problem is I have too much faith in people to believe that they can make the right moral decision on their own when they are out and associating with others. Who would want to hang with bad people? Who would want to listen to people talk shit to each other? I don't. That's why I avoid such people because I have the choice too. Why would you want to be with a few people who attacks you? If that happens you know what kind of people they are. Their behavior is only damaging themselves and their reputation. Besides you don't even know them, their words should mean nothing to you.

I have FoxHound muted because he's not really a good human, most of his posts and opinions are nothing of worth. But I decided to unmute his last post before my own and read it. I only skimmed his text and then I saw the part about me, and I skimmed most of it too. What he said there about me is not true. It is taken out of context and is one sided, complete disinformation. I will not go into that subject because it is Irrelevant to this topic. But when I see people spread lies to feel validated then I must speak out.

Some people read his first post here in this topic and they were shocked. This is a guy who wants to strangle freedom. Who wants to hang with such a person?No wonder I have the power to Ignore.

To Ignore is a skill and it is very Important people are taught this by early age. Although some things are worth fighting for.

Maybe the WormNET chat window should be disabled by default on entering a channel. At least it would give the user to hide the chat.

Quote from: TheWalrus on April 15, 2024, 12:10 AM
I didn't read everything here, but wormnet and TUS are not an absolute democracy.  Freedom of speech is not a guaranteed right.  If you are an asshole promoting non-inclusive hate speech, you should f@#! right off.  Just my opinion though.

Quote from: Kradie on April 14, 2024, 12:36 PM
I AM HERE TO CLARIFY TO YOU DEAR READER

"If you support free speech, you need to understand that it will also involve hate speech".

I think it was necessary correction to my second post here in this topic.

Who wants to be around such people anyway? He would just make a bad reputation of themselves. Oddly enough.. There are people who appear to be normal who loves to be in an toxic asshole's presence because they are ''entertaining'' to them. Imo, it only validates them and give them more reason to be an asshole.

Quote from: Godmax on April 14, 2024, 07:19 PM
Yes yes I have to f@#! Billy Boy. Maybe he will livestream it on pornhub (no i dont know if thats possible)

OnlyFans thing. 

Good job Godmax. Keep up the good work!

QuoteWell that depends on where it is. Like, you wouldn't be going into someone elses house saying stuff they don't want to hear and expect them to leave their own house lol. As MI said, as I said, and as others have said... Environment is very important, every environment has their own laws/rules/guidelines, it would be wise to follow them.

If you are the host it becomes your house and that makes it your domain. I am a kind and welcoming host (to most). People know what they will get when they join with me and that's normally a good time. How do I maintain a healthy environment in my host? To be decent and kind. Treat others just as you want to be treated. So if people just apply some common sense then laws and rules won't be necessary. There won't be any reason to choke freedom of speech. I always cast toxic people away and I Ignore them too. Anyone can do this. Why wouldn't anyone do this?

QuoteIf you want to speak about anything in the privacy of a friend, that's between you 2 alone. The moment you step into the public you're part of the public, and the public will hold you responsible if you don't co-exist peacefully. It's not like you even have a choice when you are in someone else's domain, your 2 choices are to either follow their rules or they will forcibly remove you one way or another.

If WormNET is the street outside your home, then your home is the host room. If you step outside you would be wise to watch your mouth. No one in their right mind in real life would seek out a random person and talk shit to them. Anyone can wander through a public street and they can hear anything they like or don't like. But you shouldn't care for that, it is just noise. You focus on task at hand, find a game with like minded people and have a good time.

Imagine Komodo, you are a civilian walking down the street. You can hear two white dudes sitting outside at cafe chilling rambling about whatever. Out of nowhere you can hear one of them say the ''N'' word clearly. What would you choose to do as a civilian? Call the police? Intervene in their discussion?
And let's say you were an officer of the law Komodo, what would you do in that situation? Would you arrest them for saying a word you don't like? Or imagine something else said you didn't like. What would you do?

You remind me of Kira from Death Note Komodo. DELETE DELETE DEEEEEEEEEEEEELEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETE!

@Komodo

I am nicer today? Wow.. Thanks? You clearly never knew me 

If I was worse before, then I really got lucky recruiting people to ZaR.

We can just agree to disagree about freedom, parachute and animals.. There is no point at this time to go any further. Unless if someone else has something to say.

Quote from: h3oCharles on April 14, 2024, 04:37 PM
+1 do what MI said on he first page. we're supposed to be here to chill and play a game and have some sportsmanship, not talk about politics. there are better places for that

If two or more dudes are playing a game on their own, they have the rights to talk about whatever. If there are more people present, they should leave if they don't like the topic.

Quote from: TheKomodo on April 14, 2024, 02:29 PM
Nah not really, these things are based on experience knowing Kradie for a long time and seeing how he thinks in general. Also note that I did not say it's bad to have more limited beliefs. This seems to happen a lot around here, people making assumptions that what is being said is bad.

Sometimes limits are very positive and you can gain a lot from them.

For example, he looks at using parachute in Roper as "like using crutches" that we are inferior for using parachute. Though the funny thing is by using a parachute you actually increase the human skill cap meaning we can push ourselves faster, harder, more consistently. Similar to how professional racing drivers use safety features like seat belts, roll cages and in some cases like drag racing, literal parachutes lol!

It's good to have variety, while I sit here talking about rules etc, It is in the sense that also advocate free thinking, to push your own barriers and limits as much as possible.

The fact that you rope without any safety measures, like climbing up a mountain without ropes and harnasses, puts you at greater risk, and this awareness of risk makes you more careful and cautious. To many this is boring... But not to all! That's why it's variety!

Kradie has a lot of these beliefs, that are ironic and contradictive to his very reasoning for believing in them. All I've ever tried to do is show him a more powerful perspective that could elevate his own skills and success in life.

You don't know me though. A couple of weeks ago I remember you came to my game for the first time out of your own volition. You said I was much more ''nicer'' here compared to the forums. A forum is a place where people engage in various of topics that Interest them. You have obviously painted Inaccurate depiction of me while also likely received words from others which are one sided. In reality, you don't know ''me''. You never hung with me. Because you assume the worst of people with the Intel you see. But not everything is as it seems. I think I may not be the only one who you paint Inaccurately in public.

Let me tell you what I think of YOU based on what I have observed only here on the forums. You have a massive ego that fueled by self-righteousness. You judge and berate people if they differ with you. You come across as this white knight on a horse waving the sword of truth. You overwhelm people with sermons and obvious speeches. Nobody likes that.

Perhaps what I said is just ''opinion''. Perhaps someone will say otherwise. But remember, this is what I have observed here on these forums.

And I can see you can't let go this whole parachute discussion. Parachute is a clutch, it is a baby's diaper. You're a grown man, you can walk without it and not have the fear to fall on your ass.

Show me a more powerful perspective? You assume I don't know them? Some of your post elsewhere makes sense to me. Sometime you should accept that other people have a different world view than your own.

What happened to agree to disagree? It is very Important to understand all sides if you don't agree.

I believe in free speech, you do not.