No one is "talking shits" about Zippo personally, they are just mentioning the fact he uses the same maps.

Yeah unlucky franz, we all know you are an amazing TTRR'r ! So +1 for taking it so well

Who said I was defending it? The point is that I am not attacking it, I am just stating MY opinion that it's not a big deal and if someone chooses the same map against me then fair play, there is no rule against it, and until there is, I don't see the big fuss.

That's like saying it's unfair to play Mablak at ANY TTRR just because he plays it ridiculously more than ANYONE, or unfair to play me at BnG because I play it ridiculously more than anyone else.

If you KNOW Zippo plays THIS map all the time, then why don't you practise it too if you care that much? My point is, the rules kinda make it ok, it's like throwing repeats in BnG I don't like it, but I just go with it now because now I play how my opponent plays... And if they have to do stuff like this, then to me it doesn't matter who wins because deep down I know i'm better I don't have to repeat things to win, whether it's repeat a map or repeat a shot.

I don't see what the problem is, franz is good enough to beat him on this map, regardless of how much be plays it, franz should be even better actually because franz plays a vast amount of different maps prepared for being fast on any map.

I am not saying it is right, but I am not saying it is wrong either, I think it's acceptable, although it's frustrating.

I know, I spoke to MI earlier is what I meant lol, but no worries, you never knew that.

I already brought it to their attention mate.

One thing I thought was cool, well annoying also at times, is like, 2 storys here, I was sitting in my house one day listening to music, not very loud, just calm and relaxed, I turned everything off as normal, went to the shop, came back like 15-20 minutes later, turned everything back on, speakers weren't working anymore, i'm like, wtf's up with that, and now, last week, same thing happened, but with my 32"HDTV - I can't even BnG anymore properly cuz I am using this little stupid monitor, but the point is, I think it's weird that everytime something electrical to do with my PC that break, breaks when I am not there lol, it's weird, but sure there is explanation, even if it's one I can't understand yet.

Quote from: HHC
You know about it only because you have been taught that it is so. You go by convention rather than direct experience.

No, I know about it because like I said, it's my 5 senses, and this is a fact, if you have been deceived, then the thing that has been deceived still happened, so it's still 100%. Like it or not.

Quote from: HHCHmm.. that isn't a real natural law is it? That's an event happening at a set location in time and space. Kinda like Hagar the Viking hitting Charles the Frank on the head with a battleaxe. I'm fairly sure both would agree at the time that it was a 100% fact that it happened (unless both of them were psychotic, or liars), but when Hagar goes back to his camp the next day and tells the story, would everyone believe him? What evidence would Hagar have to back up his claims? What evidence do we have now that Hagar even existed 1200 years ago?

Natural law, is something Mankind made up, it has no relevance whatsoever to the fact that there are multiple things that are 100% fact.

It doesn't matter who believes what because they were not there to see it, at the end of the day the 2 people that were involved 100% KNOW the event happened and that's all that matters, you can try and twist this any way you want but you cannot dodge the fact I am right about this, it's like that bullshit people say "if a tree falls in the woods and no ones around to see it, does it actually happen" Of course it does the sentence itself proclaims that it does, If a tree falls it falls doesn't matter if anyone's around to see it, the fact of the matter is that it happened, 100% indefinate fact.

I just hit my desktop with my hand, 100% fact, to me, I know it happened, no one else does no one else has to, I just did it, I know it, that's my 100% Proof.

I just typed the last sentence, I know I did it, and because it is there before this sentence, I am guessing that is 100% proof also, unless I typed this one 1st, and then typed the one beforehand after, but above this one... AAAAHAAAAA ! Who cares? I know how I did it, that's my 100% fact and proof.

Quote from: HHCA natural law on the other hand could be recreated through experiment. Suppose Komo and HHC were robots instead (and thus live forever), everytime Komo walked to HHC he would have to hit him in order for the natural law to have any validity. Yet.. what if one day Komo walked up to me and instead slipped over a banana on the way there. The robot would fall, HHC would not get hit and the natural law would not be 100% correct anymore. This is something that can happen to any natural law. If a certain object defies the law of gravity tomorrow then we've got a bit of a problem and the law of gravity would not be 100% applicable anymore.
Furthermore, the experiment may have been done on a false basis. Outside of the experiment there may not be electricity for the robots to move, thus the robots would only behave this way in the labratory and not in reality. Or.. what if the robots only moved because they were instructioned by the doctor's mind to do so? In quantum physics this is a real problem because the observer seems to have a direct influence on the behaviour of the matter he's experimenting with:

Sorry, but now you are just being silly, this has got nothing to do with what I said, it doesn't even compare to anything to do with anything that I said.

Everything you just said in this quote, is just YOUR own flaw, your own excuse for disbelief, what is the point in you even making up this ridiculous scenario about Robots when you are talking about Natural Law, remember natural law is something Mankind made up for Human behavior, not robots...

Quote from: HHCI dunno, it just seems that calling people's opinion stupid is not a sign of high respect. But nm, let's stick to the topic.

I didn't call it stupid as in state it as a fact, in MY opinion it's stupid and I am entitled to that, people can think I am stupid or whatever all they want, I don't care lol.

So what happened who won the games then?

And lol at that video beer

Quote from: HHC on October 03, 2010, 06:21 AM

Quote from: Komo on October 02, 2010, 08:34 PM
Who says I found an answer, my point was I don't believe in any it, my point from the start was all I believe in is my 5 senses, and things 100% proven, at least to my senses.

And those senses cannot be deceived?
And what is 100% proven? Nothing is.
There are lots of things in the universe as of yet unexplained or the subject of mere speculation. They are not 100% facts (nor ever will be) and they are not perceivable with any of the senses. That doesn't mean that they don't exist though. I mean, what goes on in a black hole? That's something we will never know. Should we just stop the investigation there and say that black holes don't exist as they aren't perceivable with the eye?
You can bash religious people (or big bang followers) all you like but when you're too lazy to even speculate what may beyond our horizons and dismiss any such theories as bogus from the start there really isn't much point in discussing the big questions of life..

Of course senses can be deceived, but most times when this happens, you know about it, and so many things are 100% proven its unbelievable you can even think this let alone say it, for example, if I walked up to you and slapped your face, it's 100% proven that I just walked up to you and slapped your face, so don't say things that aren't true.

I am not bashing anyone, you are being extremely ignorant HHC, i've stated I don't agree with them, and I think it's stupid in my opinion, but I highly respect their choice to believe what they believe, if you can't understand this then YOU should be the one I see with no point in discussing this matter.

Sorry for double post, but when you spent like 15 or more minutes on a post in a popular thread and when you post someone else has posted directly at you, it's easier to just hit quote and do another post.

Quote from: Ramone on October 03, 2010, 05:46 AM
As I said, people used to believe that the Earth was a flat plate, but then Human intelligence proved that it's a round ball and they knew. No need for beliefs. At that time Catholic Church "main Bible servants" have ordered to kill/burn those godless blasphemers that dare to claim that. Looks like "God" forgot to mention in that code that Earth is ball-shaped when he was talking about creations of things.. And btw, I've seen many books with "codes".. Allegorical stories are grateful for 100 different interpretations that U can call "codes", but that do not prove that they were written with a help of a "higher force" or "God"...

Thats another thing that bugs me, if "God" was responsible for the Bible being made, why would he miss out VERY IMPORTANT information like, yes, the Earth is a round, we are not in the centre of the Universe, black holes, stars, other planets, supernovas, now, is it just me or doesn't this hold "God" indirectly responsible for the Death's of too many people to count?

Because of this information, supposedly descended from God, Humans have lived by it for thousands of years, and like Ramone said, any non-believers, for example people who questioned the shape of the Earth were killed.

There are just too many things that in my opinion make it all unbelievable than believable, and i've tried to believe, to me, my parents are my gods in a way, they are the ones who created me, always looked after me, bathed me and fed me, taught me the truth about as much as possilble, kept me safe and loyal.

Now, obviously something must have happened for us all to be here, I don't know what but I ain't gonna go around saying it's "God", something, whether it was a living force or an unexplainable event, or a chemical reaction, or something else we just possibly can't imagine, something must have done something for it all to have started, I have no idea what, no one has any idea what, ANYONE who says they know 100% how we came to be is a liar, they can BELIEVE what they want and HOPE what they want, thats fair and I respect that, but anyone who says they "KNOW" is just damnright ignorant and silly.

I think about what are we, where did we come from, whats it gonna be like in a million years, most people think about stuff like this, it's perfectly fine and natural to think about stuff and believe and hope, but people who preach and specificly think they are 100% correct and nothing else could possibly be the truth, I seriously can't stand those people, if people can't share their beliefs and take criticism and theorys on how their beliefs are flawed and be able to handle it without getting angry or upset, then I think they don't truly 100% believe what they say they believe, they are still scared or clueless or have some questions unanswered in some way and their beliefs are based on more of a hope than a belief.

This is why I think even calling yourself an Athiest is still the same as any other religion, just because they don't believe in "God" it's almost funny that they all still want the SAME questions answered.

Quote from: HHC on October 02, 2010, 08:04 PM

Quote from: Komo on October 02, 2010, 08:00 PM
I don't believe in the Big Bang Theory either.

Hmm... I find it hard to belief you found an answer to the creator of the creator-paradox without the support of a timeless entity. A cyclical time-notion perhaps?

Who says I found an answer, my point was I don't believe in any it, my point from the start was all I believe in is my 5 senses, and things 100% proven, at least to my senses.

Quote from: HHC on October 02, 2010, 07:59 PM

Quote from: Komo on October 02, 2010, 03:54 PM
Theres no paradox, what you are saying just can't exist, how can "God" create us, but nothing creates him? This just doesn't make sense and you know it, deep down you KNOW this just can't be true.

The Big Bang-theory suffers from the same issue though.. you can't have an 'explosion' without matter to ignite, as well as something/someone to ignite it.
There is no time before the big bang. Yet there has had to be something to trigger the explosion. And thus, that 'something' must have existed outside time, as a timeless being.

A timeless God really isn't such an absurd notion if you stop to take the linear timescale for granted (which is what I said before.. most people denounce God based on an outdated 18th century Newtonian worldview).

I don't believe in the Big Bang Theory either.

Quote from: Almog on October 02, 2010, 07:54 PM
komo, dinosaurs are mention in the bilble

Yeah thats just a joke lol

Surprisingly enough, I am extremely impressed no one has exchanged violent words or abuse in this thread, if only the rest of the world could have their own beliefs without trying to force it upon others or exterminate those who don't share the same opinion.

We actually set a good example

A good joke about religion from the late Bill Hicks:

"You believe the world's 12 thousand years old? "That's right." Okay I got one word to ask you, a one word question, ready? "Uh huh." Dinosaurs. You know the world's 12 thousand years old and dinosaurs existed, they existed in that time, you'd think it would have been mentioned in the f@#!ing Bible at some point. "And lo Jesus and the disciples walked to Nazareth. But the trail was blocked by a giant brontosaurus...with a splinter in his paw. And O the disciples did run a shriekin': 'What a big f@#!ing lizard, Lord!' But Jesus was unafraid and he took the splinter from the brontosaurus's paw and the big lizard became his friend."

And one of the most powerful things i've ever heard, in my opinion, again, Bill Hicks:

"The world is like a ride in an amusement park, and when you choose to go on it you think it's real because that's how powerful our minds are. The ride goes up and down, around and around, it has thrills and chills, and it's very brightly colored, and it's very loud, and it's fun for a while. Many people have been on the ride a long time, and they begin to wonder, "Hey, is this real, or is this just a ride?" And other people have remembered, and they come back to us and say, "Hey, don't worry; don't be afraid, ever, because this is just a ride." And we...kill those people. "Shut him up! I've got a lot invested in this ride, shut him up! Look at my furrows of worry, look at my big bank account, and my family. This has to be real." It's just a ride. But we always kill the good guys who try and tell us that, you ever notice that? And let the demons run amok... But it doesn't matter, because it's just a ride. And we can change it any time we want. It's only a choice. No effort, no work, no job, no savings of money. Just a simple choice, right now, between fear and love. The eyes of fear want you to put bigger locks on your doors, buy guns, close yourself off. The eyes of love instead see all of us as one. Here's what we can do to change the world, right now, to a better ride. Take all that money we spend on weapons and defenses each year and instead spend it feeding and clothing and educating the poor of the world, which it would pay for many times over, not one human being excluded, and we could explore space, together, both inner and outer, forever, in peace."