Quote from: Aladdin on December 29, 2024, 03:54 PMWe have an intruder let's investigate!

This is IMMEDIATELY what came to my brain when you said this:

Who is "fux"? they created their profile today lol, I thought you couldn't just make a new profile and join a Cup immediately anymore?

So 5 days left, waiting for Xan, Wolf and Oli to play.

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Yeah I'm free tonight 

I'll keep an eye out here for any agreed times, and stream the matches as this is a nice Cup to stream!

Please PM me on TUS or Discord or in AG if you guys are about to play, if I am around I'm happy to stream!

Quote from: Aladdin on December 23, 2024, 05:44 PMSo, I have a question: So that module would be a cheat for using two or more spacebar on the wkRemapKeys ? By Steps

Good question, I like talking about this.

Objectively, it is not currently defined as cheating and is generally accepted in the community widescale. There are a number of players who use this and it's fine.  It is not considered a cheat because you still have to manually release one key before activating the next, therefor it's not exploiting the game in any way. It's another learning curve to learn how to use 2 spacebars although it's definitely got it's advantages if you can spend the time learning it properly with good timing.

Subjectively, If you're asking me, I personally don't like it and wish nobody did it though wouldn't consider it "cheating" as it doesn't break any rule. It isn't deceiving anyone by giving them extra abilities not available to anyone else. I personally find it less impressive.

wkRemapKeys is one of the most widely recognized modules and is even accepted here on TUS, in short, it's perfectly legal.

However, there are modules which are banned, such as wkWormOrder.

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Technically speaking there are no rules against the things I mentioned earlier as well, so you can use extra peripherals like having more than 1 keyboard plugged in, a footpedal, or spam spacebar with the mousewheel. Though it's definitely another learning curve of it's own, it definitely has the potential to give a massive advantage at top tier roping.

Most video games these days come with built-in key remappers, Worms Armageddon doesn't so wkRemapKeys put it on par with modern games, it's a QoL module as opposed to an advantage over anyone else. Not to mention it's something most gamers find common in video games, being able to remap your keys. So you see many gamers asking "How do I remap the keys in Worms Armageddon" but you see nobody asking "How do I use a footpedal for WA?"

Most games do not encourage people to download apps to make their mouse wheel spam space for every click or to use extra peripherals like a foot pedal, in fact most of the time this would be highly inconvenient, but Worms Armageddon has a niche skillset with this where it DOES have an advantage.

Though I personally think they are extremely lame and abusive and therefore do not do them myself other than for educational purposes such as documenting these things so at least the community knows of possible ways for people to have "inhumane" taps with assistance from extra technology. I checked those things out of curiosity as opposed to wanting to gain an edge over other players and I posted about them in my Discord server over a year ago.

Even if people were using these methods I personally wouldn't consider it cheating(although it's very lame) because in my eyes they aren't using anything automated, everything they are doing is still manual.

Though, saying that, It is my personal opinion that I consider players who do the following as less impressive and having less physical skill:

• Finger rolling with 2 or more spacebars(Finger rolling on 1 spacebar is more impressive in my opinion and I'm ok with it).
• Using foot pedals.
• Using mouse wheel as spacebar.

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My concern with THIS REPLAY specifically, is it looks like something automated is being used. As in you do one thing, it does multiple things and takes human timing out of the question for the duration of use. It looks like a combination of natural roping, with subtle use of some kind of script at certain moments, but in all honesty I have absolutely no definitive idea of what's going on, it's all assumption.

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This is a pure assumption, though I'd love to do some real analysis some day... Maybe someone who is a programmer could help me? This is interesting to me.

The average roper will have something like 5-10 frames of accuracy, as they don't consider "taps" their peak skillset. So if your opponent can save 5-10 frames 50 times in a game that's potentially 5-10 seconds over an entire game, which is quite a lot if you take into account they couldn't save that time normally without using a script/program doing it for them. As it's EXTREMELY useful to have these quick double shot taps on climbs where you disconnect then connect the rope immediately the very next frame.

Quote from: Mega`Adnan on December 23, 2024, 03:38 PM

Quote from: TheKomodo on December 23, 2024, 03:19 PMI will extend the deadline by 1 week for the tiebreaker matches.

@FoxHound @Mega`Adnan @Big Billy

What's going on with your group? I see you've reported extra games.

We had tiebreaker. So Foxhound suggested to play again after losing to him.

Edit: Oh we have to play 1v1v1, didn't see.

Well, the 1v1v1 with other guys was a spur of the moment thing that they agreed on and I allowed it, but sure you guys can do 1v1v1 if you're all on together, if you guys DO find each other send me a PM if on Discord as I'd like to stream it if possible!

I will extend the deadline by 1 week for the tiebreaker matches.

@FoxHound @Mega`Adnan @Big Billy

What's going on with your group? I see you've reported extra games.

Attached is the replay of the 1v1v1 between Peja Vs Rocket Vs TheWalrus.

Quote from: Peja on December 23, 2024, 10:15 AMshouldn't something like this be handled in a more discrete way, like via a report button or just sending messages to mods?
let's just imagine Shtaket did not cheat. The damage to his reputation is already being done. Some people will always think of him as a cheater just because of this thread.
i dont mind going public after evidence is found but posting and discussing cheating accusations isnt healthy for the community in the long term, especially with a small player base like ours.     

I think it's better to report things like this publicly so more people know about it. After all, it IS a league that some people take seriously and many people don't want to play people who are potentially cheating.

It's actually sad in my opinion how little people seem to care about this and I don't mean sad as in "that's cringe" I mean sad as in disappointing, we used to be a community who came together to discover cheaters and actively shame/ban them. I've been accused of cheating many times, even on these forums, and all I do is defend myself, it didn't damage my character at all.

Even if Shtaket is innocent, or at the very least, there's no way to detect whatever that sudden onset of perfect double shot taps is... There's no real harm done, nobody has directly said he's cheating, we're asking IF HE IS cheating, there's a difference.

Meanwhile I want as many people as possible to know that my gut feeling is theres new software out there that can give top tier players an advantage. Every good roper knows that the fastest taps possible are not the do all end all of roping, but in the right hands they DO give an advantage, even if it accumulates to 1 or 2 seconds over an entire race, that's still 1 to 2 seconds of cheating, if it IS cheating. And I've seen many games won by mere seconds.

There is also a possibility that Shtaket, and others, have found a legit, undetectable way of getting these kinds of taps, if that's the case then fair play to them.

I myself have a foot pedal peripheral which can be used to hold down the arrows while tapping with both hands, it's pretty cool but I don't use it or practise with it because I personally think it's an unfair advantage in certain moments.

I also have a program which I documented in Discord, sharing this information with others that can make your mouse wheel fire off the rope giving you literally perfect scrolls and I only used it for a day and achieved this:


So yes, I am very curious about new ways people can achieve perfect taps because although some people may delusionally believe they don't give an advantage, I can most definitely assure you, all the little frames saved adds up and IS an advantage in all the roping schemes.

Long story short, for now we have to give him the benefit of the doubt that he's legit until proven otherwise, it's not a witchhunt.

There was a tiebreak between Rocket, Peja and TheWalrus so they played a 3way tiebreaker 1v1v1, Peja died first, then Rocket beat TheWalrus so Rocket get's #1 TheWalrus gets #2.

Quote from: Rocket on December 22, 2024, 09:44 PM@Kradie in group 3 @TheWalrus and me played only 1 game. 2nd game forfeited by walrus

To clear this up a bit, reason being deadline is due, and Walrus would have to win 2:0 just to make a tiebreaker, then it would force a deadline extension for them to decide who wins again. SO since he loost 1 game there was no point to continue because no other opponents to play in such a short time.

It IS possible that Shtaket got bit by a radioactive spider and became a freak of nature recently who can suddenly get frame perfect double tap shots off. Buuuut I doubt it lol.

I can pull it off maybe once in every 10 attempts with finger roll and or double handed taps, and I'm incredibly fast with extremely good timing...

Shtaket suddenly, and apparently in THIS GAME ONLY manages to do it 10 times in his 1st 3 turns, and another 2 turns in the other turn mentioned, without even checking the rest. Probably many times more by the looks of it I just didn't check them frame by frame because what I did is enough to warrant real evident investigation.

I just don't get it, like many have said Shtaket is good enough he doesn't need to cheat, and whatever it is he's doing in this game doesn't even put him on Masta's level or anything, but it's still highly suspicious, it looks like something which used in the right hands CAN give top tier players an edge via extra stability and split second timing.