Quote from: Tomtysti on May 16, 2016, 06:46 PM
@skunk3:

I too think it would be great if there were more people playing unranked games for fun but blaming the people playing ranked for doing what they enjoy is ridiculous. Most active WA players play mostly competitively, it's just the way it is, the game is old and the most competitive players tend to stick around the longest.

I also don't see what's wrong about snooping, would it be so much better if those people were offline, it would not bring any more players, so complaining about them is pointless IMHO. Some people like to have #ag open in the background since it's so easy to do with 3rd party snooper software. To occasionally chat with old buddies and play a game or two. You can also set the snooper to notify you when a certain scheme is hosted or a friend has come online etc., that is real handy if you ask me.

I've never really played much rope schemes, but I understand the appeal of warmers for example, I find it similar to jamming with your band mates in the garage. A lot of people consider roping as a type of an art form, they just love doing it and even watching it and I guess it's a fun way to practice too and get feedback from more experienced players. The large variety of custom maps and randomly generated maps keep it fresh too. Warmer might not be the most suitable name, but a lot of schemes have strange names that have just stuck over the years, like Team17 for example. I personally don't mind it, but for new players it might be confusing.

And finally, the thing I dislike the most is how small the player base is and that a lot of the players are rude haters or salty quitters. Also the sad fact that my favourite game ever is now like 17 years old and no matter how great it has become over the years, it is still lacking in a lot of areas, inevitably getting dated, it's player base getting smaller every year and that there's no sign of a new, improved successor to WA ever coming, even though that should be the main f@#!ing focus of the whole gaming world   

I'm not blaming anyone per se, I'm just complaining about the state of things. What people choose to do or not do is out of my hands, and I guess I just can't help but think of the "good ol' days" when W:A was full of people having fun, talking shit, and playing games just for the sake of playing a game. I also know that I am in the minority when it comes to personal feelings about snooper programs. I 'get' why people use them and consider them convenient. I do. I just hate the fact that I can hop on WormNET and it will show 50+ people in #AG, yet in all actuality, it's more like 10 people, if that. The snooper programs make the game look far more active than it actually is, and that is essentially the basis of my complaint. As I said, I know that I am in the minority here, and that is fine. Just expressing my personal opinion! As far as warmers go, I can totally see why some people would love playing them. Once again, I *personally* don't enjoy them, and consider them to be pointless. *shrug*

As far as your last statement goes, I totally agree. I am hoping that WMD ends up being a satisfying Worms experience, but we will have to wait and see!


@ Anubis - My complaint stems from the fact that a lot of players simply WON'T play a funner. Period. I don't play ranked games anymore because of a few reasons:

1. I don't care about ranks
2. I am too lazy to report games
3. Playing for rank somehow ruins the fun for me, win or lose
4. As stated before, many players rarely if ever play for fun anymore

To more directly address your statement - You are correct in that I like competition, but for the reasons listed above, I do not enjoy playing ranked matches. As far as warmer being pointless, this is just a matter of opinion. If you don't agree with me, that is fine, but I still contend that warmer is about as pointless as it gets unless you're just trying to show off tricks/combos. Some people might consider that a blast, but I don't. There is no concrete objective, and that's where warmer fails as a scheme in my eyes. If people wanted to actually warm up, they could warm up by playing any rope-based scheme. Also, as I said before, people who play warmers a lot tend to be (on the whole) much less consistent ropers than those who aren't trying to get their NLF on.

Ignoring your jab directed at me regarding the status of my mental adulthood, let me just say that I never said that warmer is 'bad,' or that those who enjoy warming/freestyling are 'bad.' I merely expressed my personal opinion about the scheme. If you took some sort of personal offense, that's not really my problem, is it? All I said is that I personally think that warmers are pretty much a pointless waste of time UNLESS you just so happen to enjoy that sort of thing. I don't. Clear enough?

I know it will not happen, but I'd like to see what WormNET would look like if ranked leagues/cups/etc were completely gone for 6 months. I'd love to see these TUS lurkers actually host games for fun, for a change. Maybe then they would be surprised that they can get a challenge without playing for rank.

Quote from: Sbaffo on May 16, 2016, 06:33 AM
Lmao skunk3.

I don't know if you're being serious, but most of people here play for the competition, not for their ranking (it defines your skillz actually), if you don't mind playing ranked games don't say that there's no competition around the wormnet if your opponents are actually some russian shopper players. And who the heck warm under an alias? Have you got any names/proofs?

Also, you're criticizing warmer and its players when actually it's the only scheme you're supposed to play for fun!?! You're getting contradictory post by post. On the other hand i agree that most of rope player can't rope straight.

Again warmer is not only roping fast,  you gotta have also flow and control

I was being 100% serious. Most people who play TUS a lot care about ranks deeply, so much so that they barely play funners at all. They are pretty much completely silent in #AG and only chime in to ask "TUS NE1???" then fade back into snooping. I don't play random Russian noobs; I try to find the best opponents that I can. Depending on the time of day, I can usually find good players on. My point, because I think you missed it, is that most of the people who actively play W:A and who actively post to this forum basically never play anything unless it's ranked singles or clanner. It's not like there isn't competition out there if the game isn't ranked, you know? THAT is my complaint. The TUS community is so incestuous. (No offense to anyone in particular.)

And yes, a lot of people warm under aliases, but I won't call out any names. Aliasing is so common on WormNET that it is actually kinda unbelievable.

As far as warmer goes, yes I do criticize the scheme because I find it utterly boring, not fun. I don't see what is 'fun' about pointlessly roping around. There's no objective. I am not hating on people who like to play warmers... I'm just saying that I PERSONALLY do not play warmers.

Quote from: Rabbit on May 16, 2016, 03:29 AM
How is a replay file going to work on ps4 or xbox1 though?

That kinda illustrates some of my fears regarding WMD. I imagine that Team17 are going to make all versions identical, which means that the PC version is probably going to be nerfed in the sense that it won't include content that it SHOULD.

Now that I've given this more thought, I agree that the leagues should have been reset ages ago. Not only that, but they should be reset periodically so the same sort of issue doesn't happen again.

Quote from: Triad on May 15, 2016, 11:15 PM
I hate when you're playing a rope scheme and what a coincidence that a f@#!in fly decides to come inside your room from the open window and starts f@#!ing around next to your ears.

Ugh. I hate when the sun shifts positions and you have this bad glare on your monitor... especially when you can't move or do anything about it. :/

Quote from: Hurz on May 15, 2016, 08:38 PM
thats pretty much how i see most ropebased schemes, wxw is kinda pointless too. mainly roping is for ppl who enjoy themselves way too much and lose the point of fun.

I think that rope-based schemes can be highly fun, but they can definitely get repetitive, that's for sure. That's why I generally try to mix it up in terms of schemes I play, although I do play a disproportionate amount of Big RR.

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Quote from: skunk3 on May 15, 2016, 08:29 PMAlso, on an unrelated note, warmer is the most boring crap ever, both to play and to watch. It shouldn't even be called 'warmer,' as nobody really uses it to warm up, per se. It should be called "freestyle" or "show off" or something else along those lines

Related: https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/worms-armageddon/is-warmer-a-fitting-name-23350/

I totally agree with this. ESPECIALLY when people who are already 'warm' (have been playing matches) join a warmer. For what? To get warmer-er? To be the warmer-est? I think that it makes far more sense to call it a 'freestyle,' as that is what people are *actually* doing.

Quote from: Kradie on May 13, 2016, 04:19 PM
I dislike people who think that their rank is everything.

This. Honestly, I wouldn't care if all of the leagues/cups/etc ended tomorrow. Playing for rank sucks the fun right out of the game, if you ask me. It's not so much the ranking system or anything like that as it is the mentality of the PEOPLE who are obsessed with playing for rank. Do some of ya'll even play funners anymore? It's so pathetic that some people will log in to WormNET under an alias just to play a few games and warm up before logging back in with their normal nick and playing a league match. This happens frequently. It's pathetic. If you're so obsessed with maintaining your Worms image that you would resort to aliasing to warm up before playing "real" matches, you're lame.

There's still a pretty good contingent of players who play for fun, so I am thankful for that.

Also, on an unrelated note, warmer is the most boring crap ever, both to play and to watch. It shouldn't even be called 'warmer,' as nobody really uses it to warm up, per se. It should be called "freestyle" or "show off" or something else along those lines because generally speaking, warmers = watching people pointlessly roping around the map and doing pointless tricks. There's no goal aside from trying to impress people. That stuff was cool to me several years ago, but now I look at it as kinda detrimental, because the more one plays warmers, the more likely they are to be reckless when playing rope games that actually have a goal of some sort, like roper, ttrr, big rr, etc. Who cares if you can do some cool tricks and rope fast if you fall a lot and/or lose your turn?

I'm not talking trash about people who enjoy playing warmers... this is just my personal opinion. The only time you will EVER catch me playing a warmer is if it is on 150% speed mode, so that once I go back to normal speed, everything is in slow motion and I can rope even better.

Replay files are not going to be a feature of WMD (for now), which is a shame.

I, for one, would love to see TUS branch out and be inclusive of Worms in general, rather than being specifically focused on W:A. It would bring in new people (and possibly donations), and perhaps even convince some stubborn older players to try some of the newer games. It wouldn't be hard to advertise for either, as the only real outlets for those games are:

1. The Steam forums
2. The Worms Guild Facebook group
3. Small Worms communities on PSN and perhaps XBox1 (I don't know if XB1 has "communities" as PS4 does...)

I have a feeling that WMD is going to be a very active game since it will be the first Worms game ever to (eventually) be cross-play compatible with basically every platform from XBox to Linux/Mac.

It would be more of a pain to run leagues without the replay files, but it wouldn't be impossible.

I can't yet tell if these posts are honest or sarcasm... so I'll just not say anything. q:]]

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Quote from: r2-dbag on May 11, 2016, 06:20 AM
Heh. It's who – I'm not a bot. And I play, just not very often.

This is like seeing SheriffBot post.

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Quote from: skunk3 on May 10, 2016, 08:14 PM
100 consecutive wins is indeed an impressive streak, but am I alone in feeling that mole shopper is extremely luck-based? I can't believe it's even a ranked scheme, to be honest. Every match more or less plays out the same, and it ultimately comes down to starting placement and crate luck every single time, no matter how good you are. Not trying to shit on your achievement or anything, this is just my worthless personal opinion. If I played ranked games and someone picked mole as their choice, I would literally groan out loud.

It has some problems with weapon strengths but I think 100 wins in a row is enough to prove it is not luck-based.

Man, what is going on with you lately? You are just bitching in every thread 

I'm not working and I'm pissed off, lol.