Quote from: Lupastic on September 21, 2021, 06:08 PM
you just ruined the whole online gaming a bit nizikawa, and you also managed to put oldtimer and newbie players in a situation in which they are seriously thinking of rather not even playing any games anymore other than races (or schemes where you play with 1-2 worms)
thanks bro 'priciate it

the community got even thinner by this. but hey, at least you don't need to waste too much paper and pen at your home anymore

hero of 2021 <3

Thanks for your valuable input, Lupastic.
I have taken your suggestions into consideration and as result I was able to develop a new, improved wormkit module to address the issues of wkWormOrder just for you.
I hope you will enjoy using this new module.

I will never understand how someone can just be against a module without any context. You can be against a module being used in a league, or being used in a particular scheme. But there will always be people who will like the module, especially casual players. There are also people who might want to create their own scheme or tournament using the module as a requirement in the games. If you think that the mere existence of a module can harm the competitive scene, you should be concerned about creating an anti-cheat system to prevent people using private modules etc., rather than creating obstacles for what will improve the game experience of some people.

Quote from: Lupastic on September 21, 2021, 08:32 PM
and Syc, I think you are the one whom I have seen somewhere doing a... weapon tracker module? really you really want to make this game as dumb as possible
how more committed you could be.

Nope, you're incorrect -- I made a separate program for weapon tracking, not a module. And I don't think any of us said that we would use this module in a competitive context without it being explicitly allowed. You need to get your facts straight and stop being so condescending, it makes you look petty.

I don't know if I was the only one who did this, but I actually installed wkSuckMyCock.dll LOL

I wonder if it has hidden features besides those messages when you double click WA icon.

Quote from: nizikawa on September 21, 2021, 09:49 PM
I have taken your suggestions into consideration and as result I was able to develop a new, improved wormkit module to address the issues of wkWormOrder just for you.
I hope you will enjoy using this new module.

Sorry but could you explain these updates? I've not followed the convo here on TUS forums but been involved and as everyone knows I see this module as cheating and expressed this several times on discord discussions.


There is a situation now (maybe it's change and your fixes have solved the problem?) where some use of the module occurred against Dario. He no longer will play players with worm names that aren't 1-8 because the module could be being used without knowledge and someone can cheat if they randomize or change their own worm names every game, but have the order displayed above those names, without the opponent knowing they are doing this.

Could you please provide more detail on the updates you've made to address the possible cheating?

I believe the module should be banned across all league games and competitive games and players using it should have their games voided. I also believe you shouldn't be allowed to agree to use the module. (I've said all this on discord..)

Quote from: Chicken23 on September 24, 2021, 10:01 AM
Could you please provide more detail on the updates you've made to address the possible cheating?

Did you see the name of the attachment?

Quote from: Chicken23 on September 24, 2021, 10:01 AM
I believe the module should be banned across all league games and competitive games and players using it should have their games voided. I also believe you shouldn't be allowed to agree to use the module. (I've said all this on discord..)

So, I am forced to memorize the name of the worms and the sequence of all my teams because you consider this an important "skill"? If yes, I think I'm in the wrong game. Me and my opponent, if we want, can't we see our teams from 1 to 8?

Quote from: Albus on September 24, 2021, 10:06 AM

Quote from: Chicken23 on September 24, 2021, 10:01 AM
Could you please provide more detail on the updates you've made to address the possible cheating?

Did you see the name of the attachment?

Quote from: Chicken23 on September 24, 2021, 10:01 AM
I believe the module should be banned across all league games and competitive games and players using it should have their games voided. I also believe you shouldn't be allowed to agree to use the module. (I've said all this on discord..)

So, I am forced to memorize the name of the worms and the sequence of all my teams because you consider this an important "skill"? If yes, I think I'm in the wrong game. Me and my opponent, if we want, can't we see our teams from 1 to 8?

I've just seen it and such a shame, perhaps nizikawa is up for hearing the complaints and points being raised by several members of the community who are passionate about strategic default schemes where memorizing worm order, and memorizing many other elements of this game is a measurement of your skill.

I think your in the wrong game and you are cheating in default schemes, perhaps you'd enjoy single worm schemes more?

I'm not saying you can't use the module casually in worms, but what I'm saying is its cheating in league matches if you use it.

tracking worm order manually is an important element of schemes with 8 worms, (even 4 but a lot easier to do manually). I don't want to repeat everything I've said on discord over and over.

Quote from: Chicken23 on September 24, 2021, 10:17 AM
I think your in the wrong game and you are cheating in default schemes, perhaps you'd enjoy single worm schemes more?

Many years playing intermediate without realizing that in fact I don't like this scheme

So am I a cheater for you? Good to know. But tell me which TUS rule I broke.

By the way, what do you think of players who use a piece of paper as a ruler on the monitor screen to get more accuracy with some weapons? Who does this is cheater for you? I know some pro players who do (or did) this. If this is cheating for you, I would like to see you call them cheaters here in public too.

Quote from: Chicken23 on September 24, 2021, 10:17 AM
I'm not saying you can't use the module casually in worms, but what I'm saying is its cheating in league matches if you use it.

tracking worm order manually is an important element of schemes with 8 worms, (even 4 but a lot easier to do manually). I don't want to repeat everything I've said on discord over and over.

It is not cheat if the opponent has the same right.

If both players want to show their team order, that's their problem. To want to prevent this is to disproportionately interfere with the players' autonomy. I think this is complete nonsense.

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If I want to create a tournament using a variation of intermediate where the order of the enemy team must be explicit and automatically show the weapons used by the enemy? Couldn't I do this? Aren't people free to create their own schemes and rules?

Quote from: Albus on September 24, 2021, 10:22 AM

Quote from: Chicken23 on September 24, 2021, 10:17 AM
I think your in the wrong game and you are cheating in default schemes, perhaps you'd enjoy single worm schemes more?

Many years playing intermediate without realizing that in fact I don't like this scheme

So am I a cheater for you? Good to know. But tell me which TUS rule I broke.

By the way, what do you think of players who use a piece of paper as a ruler on the monitor screen to get more accuracy with some weapons? Who does this is cheater for you? I know some pro players who do (or did) this. If this is cheating for you, I would like to see you call them cheaters here in public too.

Quote from: Chicken23 on September 24, 2021, 10:17 AM
I'm not saying you can't use the module casually in worms, but what I'm saying is its cheating in league matches if you use it.

tracking worm order manually is an important element of schemes with 8 worms, (even 4 but a lot easier to do manually). I don't want to repeat everything I've said on discord over and over.

It is not cheat if the opponent has the same right.

If both players want to show their team order, that's their problem. To want to prevent this is to disproportionately interfere with the players' autonomy. I think this is complete nonsense.

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If I want to create a tournament using a variation of intermediate where the order of the enemy team must be explicit and automatically show the weapons used by the enemy? Couldn't I do this? Aren't people free to create their own schemes and rules?

It's cheating and you already cheated against Dario by creating random names for your team but displayed the order above them secretly, without him knowing.

You've used a 3rd party tool to give you a competitive advantage in league games and cheated. You are the only league player arguing for these modules, because your hands are already dirty and you have a guilty conscience of cheating IMO.

Quote from: Chicken23 on September 24, 2021, 12:37 PM

Quote from: Albus on September 24, 2021, 10:22 AM

Quote from: Chicken23 on September 24, 2021, 10:17 AM
I think your in the wrong game and you are cheating in default schemes, perhaps you'd enjoy single worm schemes more?

Many years playing intermediate without realizing that in fact I don't like this scheme

So am I a cheater for you? Good to know. But tell me which TUS rule I broke.

By the way, what do you think of players who use a piece of paper as a ruler on the monitor screen to get more accuracy with some weapons? Who does this is cheater for you? I know some pro players who do (or did) this. If this is cheating for you, I would like to see you call them cheaters here in public too.

Quote from: Chicken23 on September 24, 2021, 10:17 AM
I'm not saying you can't use the module casually in worms, but what I'm saying is its cheating in league matches if you use it.

tracking worm order manually is an important element of schemes with 8 worms, (even 4 but a lot easier to do manually). I don't want to repeat everything I've said on discord over and over.

It is not cheat if the opponent has the same right.

If both players want to show their team order, that's their problem. To want to prevent this is to disproportionately interfere with the players' autonomy. I think this is complete nonsense.

---

If I want to create a tournament using a variation of intermediate where the order of the enemy team must be explicit and automatically show the weapons used by the enemy? Couldn't I do this? Aren't people free to create their own schemes and rules?

It's cheating and you already cheated against Dario by creating random names for your team but displayed the order above them secretly, without him knowing.

You've used a 3rd party tool to give you a competitive advantage in league games and cheated. You are the only league player arguing for these modules, because your hands are already dirty and you have a guilty conscience of cheating IMO.

Was there any rule prohibiting the use of this module function (ie, see your own team order) in the league? Not that I know. So I'm not a cheater. You are making serious accusations against me.

QuoteCheating by any program is highly forbidden. Anyone caught on cheating may be banned for the whole season (at the moderators discretion).

Quote from: Kradie on September 24, 2021, 12:55 PM

QuoteCheating by any program is highly forbidden. Anyone caught on cheating may be banned for the whole season (at the moderators discretion).

Where is it written that it is forbidden to use this module to see my team's sequence?

Quote from: Kradie on September 24, 2021, 12:55 PM

QuoteCheating by any program is highly forbidden. Anyone caught on cheating may be banned for the whole season (at the moderators discretion).

Albus - I think the key element is the 'Any' program to cheat.

gg

Quote from: Chicken23 on September 24, 2021, 01:39 PM

Quote from: Kradie on September 24, 2021, 12:55 PM

QuoteCheating by any program is highly forbidden. Anyone caught on cheating may be banned for the whole season (at the moderators discretion).

Albus - I think the key element is the 'Any' program to cheat.

gg

I don't think wkwormorder is cheating and I've discussed this in the past, giving several arguments. If there's a rule prohibiting it, I don't use it. Until then, you have no right to attack my honor.

Quote from: Chicken23 on September 24, 2021, 12:37 PM
It's cheating and you already cheated against Dario by creating random names for your team but displayed the order above them secretly, without him knowing.

You've used a 3rd party tool to give you a competitive advantage in league games and cheated. You are the only league player arguing for these modules, because your hands are already dirty and you have a guilty conscience of cheating IMO.

You're attacking my honor here and in discord, calling me a cheater. If you guys consider me a cheater, I don't deserve to play the league anymore and I won't play the PO of allround season. If the accusation is false, I hope that some decision will be made about it.