Komo,

Would you have sympathy for a 15 year old child who steals a loaf of bread because their drug addicted parents neglected them and didn't feed them properly?

I wouldn't have sympathy for the crime, but I would have sympathy for them being unlucky to be raised in such a family and if possible I would offer help just by being a friend, i'd have sympathy for them not being able to experience amazing love and cherish family orientated experiences.

The child could always call for help, seek foster homing, they have helplines and stuff for situations like this.

bit drunk took me fukin ages to read this topic

Happy birthday dibz

Quote from: Komo on October 13, 2010, 10:12 PM


End of day you have your opinion and I have mine, let's agree to disagree and never talk about this again? Sorry mate...

Sure thing... I posted my last message without reading that ^ so I wasn't trying to violently defy you there

Quote from: Komo on October 13, 2010, 11:01 PMI wouldn't have sympathy for the crime, but I would have sympathy for them....

Quote from: Komo on October 13, 2010, 11:01 PMALL CRIMINALS deserve NO sympathy whatsoever, no matter what the crime they committed

The big nature nurture debate has raged for decades.  Are people born to be a certain way or are they a product of their upbringing?

I think it's generally accepted that an individual's personality, attitudes, beliefs, behaviour and moral codes are shaped by their experiences and their environment.  Obviously every human being is partly responsible for their own actions, but it is also true that every parent has a responsibility to raise their child in a way that promotes good morals.

If the parents raise their child very poorly in a disfunctional environment surrounded by crime and violence then chances are the kid's gonna grow up to be a tearaway.

I think Shyguy is acknowledging that people are sometimes led down bad paths in life which are not necessarily their fault and so help should be provided even if they commit crimes.

I once stole a 6-pack of ICECREAM and some basketballcards at a shop! And i didnt get caught for it! And the icecream made my day much better, and i got a few cards i lacked in my collection, and now i have a full NBA 95-96 Basketballcard COllection! Ill ebay it in 20 years or so!

Morale is ; CRIME PAYS!

ok joke's aside, was quite interesting reading all this, i like some discussions beyond ballshaving and AVI going 2 prison for showing his nuts in public. Dont get me wrong Avi, i enjoy those 2, just not at the same intellectual level!

edit: when i think of it.. didnt this discussion start with Avi going 2 prison for showing his nuts in public? Oo

Quote from: Cueshark on October 13, 2010, 11:20 PM

Quote from: Komo on October 13, 2010, 11:01 PMI wouldn't have sympathy for the crime, but I would have sympathy for them....

Quote from: Komo on October 13, 2010, 11:01 PMALL CRIMINALS deserve NO sympathy whatsoever, no matter what the crime they committed

Like I said before, you are linking 2 quotes thats really have nothing to do with each other, this is just false interpretation...

I'd still think she is a criminal, and deserves no sympathy for that, but I have morals, and feelings like everyone else, i'd feel sympathy for her life, not her crime, I hope you can understand the difference...

Quote from: Komo on October 13, 2010, 11:53 PM

Quote from: Cueshark on October 13, 2010, 11:20 PM

Quote from: Komo on October 13, 2010, 11:01 PMI wouldn't have sympathy for the crime, but I would have sympathy for them....

Quote from: Komo on October 13, 2010, 11:01 PMALL CRIMINALS deserve NO sympathy whatsoever, no matter what the crime they committed

Like I said before, you are linking 2 quotes thats really have nothing to do with each other, this is just false interpretation...

I'd still think she is a criminal, and deserves no sympathy for that, but I have morals, and feelings like everyone else, i'd feel sympathy for her life, not her crime, I hope you can understand the difference...

You made a blanket statement about your feelings towards criminals.  You mentioned degrees of crime but you made it perfectly clear that you have no sympathy for criminals under any circumstances.  I hope you agree with that.

Then when I gave you a scenario which was a little bit more complicated you had no choice but to back away from your original position and move a little bit further toward a middle ground.

I didn't think it was a false interpretation.

What's the big deal anyway?  Can't you say something and then change your position slightly upon further consideration?  It's not a sign of weakness nor stupidity to do so.

Quote from: Abnaxus on October 13, 2010, 10:25 PM
I didn't read the whole topic.

But Komo, until you know why someone goes to jail, you can't tell he's bad.

PS: Avi, when you tell us your storys, you sound fun & sweet.
But the thing is all you're doing here is: flaming, flooding and lying.
How do you want people to trust in you after that ?

When I played with you, you acted greatly.
But there, on the forum, I would sometimes like to shoot you in the head (but well, don't take it too seriously, I just hate humans).

huh? when did i flame here? and when did i flood here?.... and please, tell me when i lied? lol...  there is one thing i dont do, and that is lie....  what r u talking about dude??

and yes, i agree, im pretty ncie in game, and sometimes i can be a complete jackass on forums, i agree 100%...

i dont mean to be, and when i am, at least i know that i am, like in the w2roper thread (that i think ur refering to) and i have apologized many times for that.. lol

but.. dont say i lie?.. lol.. wtf... where did that come from?

lmfao avi, just give back the cap and shoes and close this thread 

Quote from: Cueshark on October 14, 2010, 12:10 AM
You made a blanket statement about your feelings towards criminals.  You mentioned degrees of crime but you made it perfectly clear that you have no sympathy for criminals under any circumstances.  I hope you agree with that.

Then when I gave you a scenario which was a little bit more complicated you had no choice but to back away from your original position and move a little bit further toward a middle ground.

I didn't back away from my original position, I still said I have no sympathy for her committing the crime... Can't you read mate? I would still have sympathy for her life, I would still think she's a criminal and should have no sympathy for the crime she committed...

I must also point out, if I caught this person stealing, I wouldn't tell on her, i'd keep it to myself, she obviously has to do what she wants to survive, but it doesn't make it right does it?

Quote from: Cueshark on October 14, 2010, 12:10 AMWhat's the big deal anyway?  Can't you say something and then change your position slightly upon further consideration?  It's not a sign of weakness nor stupidity to do so.

I didn't change my opinion though...

its just so obvious komo loves debate.... no matter what thread, what topic, what person, what time, what, what, what, what, what... komo is right there to argue a point.. lol


he is a very passionate man, and even when he knows hes wrong, he will fight tooth and nail...

think of komo as your spouse in a long term relationship... no matter what u say, they will fight with you, and they are always right.. sometimes u just have to agree, and give them sex to make them shut up..

so komo, ur right.. now bend over bitch.

Quote from: avirex on October 14, 2010, 01:05 AM
its just so obvious komo loves debate.... no matter what thread, what topic, what person, what time, what, what, what, what, what... komo is right there to argue a point.. lol


he is a very passionate man, and even when he knows hes wrong, he will fight tooth and nail...

avi, this isn't really anything to do with right or wrong, it's about opinions, how the hell can I be wrong when millions upon millions of people agree with both me and shyguy?

There is enough evidence in the world to fully support BOTH sides of this arguement, in the end it comes down to an individuals own judgement and opinions.

You're the one going to jail, not me, I can't believe half the crap you come out with, it's funny though lol.

Quote from: Komo on October 14, 2010, 12:56 AM

Quote from: Cueshark on October 14, 2010, 12:10 AM
You made a blanket statement about your feelings towards criminals.  You mentioned degrees of crime but you made it perfectly clear that you have no sympathy for criminals under any circumstances.  I hope you agree with that.

Then when I gave you a scenario which was a little bit more complicated you had no choice but to back away from your original position and move a little bit further toward a middle ground.

I didn't back away from my original position, I still said I have no sympathy for her committing the crime... Can't you read mate? I would still have sympathy for her life, I would still think she's a criminal and should have no sympathy for the crime she committed...

I must also point out, if I caught this person stealing, I wouldn't tell on her, i'd keep it to myself, she obviously has to do what she wants to survive, but it doesn't make it right does it?

Quote from: Cueshark on October 14, 2010, 12:10 AMWhat's the big deal anyway?  Can't you say something and then change your position slightly upon further consideration?  It's not a sign of weakness nor stupidity to do so.

I didn't change my opinion though...

I don't understand quite what having 'no sympathy for the crime' means.  You also say that you would have sympathy for her life.  Isn't that basically saying that you'd have sympathy for her and as she is the criminal you are contradicting your statement below.  It's also not really possible to have sympathy for a crime, it doesn't make much sense.

You originally said "ALL CRIMINALS deserve NO sympathy whatsoever, no matter what the crime they committed".

Now you are saying that you'll have sympathy for her life, but not the crime.

Conversations like this are about give and take.  You seem more focused on protecting your position than engaging in a reasoned discussion about this controversial topic.

You came out guns blazing with a dead set view and an extreme view at that.  You bolded your words to stress the point that NO sympathy would be given to criminals whatsoever, no matter what crime has been committed.

Now you are redefining your position, separating the person and the crime and admitting that it's possible for you to sympathise with one and not the other.  It's fairly meaningless to do so and I think that the only reason you are doing this is because it means you can avoid having to retract your previous statements.

Taking such an extreme stance on this topic was perhaps a bit hasty on your part.  The issue of crime, ethics, morality, capital punishment etc.  We couldn't really of picked a more complicated issue to try and tackle in this forum.

We're dwelling on this one point.

If you're now saying that the person's 'life' would warrant sympathy then can you admit that the below statement you made earlier deserves to be either retracted or modified?

"ALL CRIMINALS deserve NO sympathy whatsoever, no matter what the crime they committed"