how u know u fell into the trap the goverment is not behind 9/11? ur point of view, well mine says they were.

@Cue,
This is filth 'cause they are flith.
Just put yourself in their shoes, with their power, their money, their past and their mind. And you would easly think they could have done such a horrible thing (doesn't mean they did, I repeat myself (as I always do)).
Plus, on what did you get your "proofs" ?
- Videos: I don't think so. Anyway, they could have made it (a movie is easy to make).
- Sound: Is it that hard to make a false tape ?
- If you saw it by yourself (which I doubt), then you're right.
The only thing I did was to enumerate the different possibilities, without being biase one single second (except when I said it). Then you "attacked" me personnaly.

It's clear you can't get your emotions out of this discussion. And if you can't be objective, there is no need to debate.
To finish, I agree we should stop talking (I let you the last word, I guess you want it badly).


@MI,
Since he said the worst insult towards me, I sure am in right to react that way.
I've never blamed Maciej, DT or anybody else when they insulted back.
Eye for eye, teeth for teeth, that's how the world should work (and it works this way for me, whatever anybody thinks, even there).

You know I really don't mind of getting banned, and you also know I don't deserve anything about this last post.
Then, if you get offended by what I just said, you're free to do whatever you want.

If nobody starts, nobody answers.

Oh and btw guys, do you know there are more people dying in Africa each days than in  NYC at 9/11.

ooy Cue, i know my words wont convince you but check this video
i dont get it why sm1 can dont get it :<

Quote from: Devilage on May 09, 2011, 07:41 PM
how u know u fell into the trap the goverment is not behind 9/11? ur point of view, well mine says they were.

Fine.

Well the only way to flesh this topic out is to talk about the evidence.

If anyone wants to provide evidence that the US government was behind the 9/11 attack feel free to do so and we can have a rational debate.

I am also prepared to change my mind on this subject.  Show me compelling evidence that the US government was behind 9/11 and I promise that I will change my position.  I will only enter a debate with people who are also prepared to change their minds on this matter.  Otherwise it's a waste of time.

What's the point in having a debate, showing evidence for our points of view if no one will change their mind if the arguments are convincing enough?

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Abnaxus, I apologised already about offending you so either accept my apology or don't.  But remember I didn't call you a faggot or say f@#! you or tell you to burn or anything like that.  I attacked your words but I did not attack you directly.  At least I thought that was the case.

I understood that you made a firm claim that the Flight 93 was part of the conspiracy.  A deliberate loss of life by the government to make the rest of the conspiracy seem more convincing.  You made that claim didn't you?

It sounds like you are now saying that you were just exploring the different possibilities.  If this was the case and I misunderstood you then this is my fault and I apologise once again.

I've saw things over the internet, read stuff, heard stuff...Even read ur stuff, and I still support my theory, could be a debate but i doubt u change ur mind if u say u alrdy digged enough to prove us wrong. Anyways doggs has right talking bout few ppl on 9/11 while Afrika dies of hunger and Us spends lots of money on war hehe but it's ok they're are just defending their selves.

Quote from: Devilage on May 09, 2011, 09:22 PM
I've saw things over the internet, read stuff, heard stuff...Even read ur stuff, and I still support my theory, could be a debate but i doubt u change ur mind if u say u alrdy digged enough to prove us wrong. Anyways doggs has right talking bout few ppl on 9/11 while Afrika dies of hunger and Us spends lots of money on war hehe but it's ok they're are just defending their selves.

Well yah.  The subject of Africa is definitely worth discussing perhaps in another thread.

You never told me your theory on 9/11 anyway.  But np.

seen my video??? tell me what about black ppl slavery time ago in usa?? goverment are sick ppl and u dont see what they show in tv? its only bullshit, now they are attacking kaddafi or wtf his name was but not so long ago they were hugging with each other and they just dont caaaare about all those soliders who dies on those wars...

Quote from: theredi on May 09, 2011, 08:37 PM
ooy Cue, i know my words wont convince you but check this video

i dont get it why sm1 can dont get it :<

Yay Jedi Mind Tricks for the win !!! I used to love their songs, I dont like much their new style tho (too much hardcore IMO, but just my tastes).
Anyway those guys are a little bit paranoid But what they say is "kind of" true.. But they trust about Illuminatis and stuff .. Oh yeah ! Lets start to debates about Illuminatis !!! And this thread will just never ends XD

Quote from: Cueshark on May 09, 2011, 09:04 PM
I attacked your words but I did not attack you directly.

Quote from: Cueshark on May 09, 2011, 08:27 AMI could not disrespect those innocent people like you do.

This insult is worst than 90% of the known insults in my eyes.

Quote from: Cueshark on May 09, 2011, 09:04 PMI understood that you made a firm claim that the Flight 93 was part of the conspiracy.  A deliberate loss of life by the government to make the rest of the conspiracy seem more convincing.  You made that claim didn't you?

It sounds like you are now saying that you were just exploring the different possibilities.  If this was the case and I misunderstood you then this is my fault and I apologise once again.

Quote from: Abnaxus on May 09, 2011, 12:57 AM
I'd like to add to HHC posts, that a plane were supposed to on the pentagon. But for unknown reasons, he himself near it.

It's like a "Look ! They tryed to kill me, I can't be the killer !". But it's just a "try", so it doesn't mean anything.

Quote from: Abnaxus on May 09, 2011, 01:34 AMThat's it. At least it could be and would fit with the rest.

Too finish, we don't want you to change your mind (at least me).
I just want you to realize that yeah, we don't any evidences about the conspiracy, but you neither don't have any about what they said or showed.
So both could have happenned.
That's all I'm trying to say since the start.

Quote from: theredi on May 09, 2011, 09:49 PM
seen my video??? tell me what about black ppl slavery time ago in usa?? goverment are sick ppl and u dont see what they show in tv? its only bullshit, now they are attacking kaddafi or wtf his name was but not so long ago they were hugging with each other and they just dont caaaare about all those soliders who dies on those wars...

I'll watch it man and report back.  

People are sick though, you're right.  Humans are capable of the most vile acts.  If bad people get in power then real bad things can happen.  We only have to look at history to know that bad people in power can commit mass murder, exploit and enslave their people etc.  Not just that.  Studies in psychology like Milgram and Zimbardo show that otherwise good people can be made to do extremely bad things under such authority.

To me the problem nowadays is religion.  It's the biggest killer.

9/11 was driven by religion.

Those hijackers were doing this act in the name of Allah.

If you read the transcript from the flight recorder of Flight 93.  It was played in a courtroom in front of many people but the audio was never released.  However the transcript is available.

These are the last moments of flight 93 which was brought down before it reached it's target.  Tood Beamer, a passenger, apparently attempted to make a credit card call but was re-routed to a customer service representative.  Todd explained that him and some other passengers were planning to jump on the hijackers and force the plane down early.  This makes sense when you read the flight recording because the transcript shows them instructing each other to pull leavers and disconnect power etc.

09:33:34 In the name of Allah, the most merciful, the most compassionate.

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And the last moments.

10:03:04 Allah is the greatest.

10:03:06 Allah is the greatest.

10:03;06 Allah is the greatest.

10:03:07 No.

10:03:09 Allah is the greatest. Allah is the greatest.

10:03:09 Allah is the greatest. Allah is the greatest.

Let's not pull this away from the conspiracy debate but I just wanted to throw that in there.

Don't you find the "conversation" weird ?

Plus, I think religion has nothing to do with deaths. At least if everybody could respect eachother religion.
The biggest killer has always been and will always be the Human (except if some E.Ts come from another galaxy).

If Human wasn't so greedy, the world would be so much better..

Ok man.  I'm sorry.  When you said "that's it" - I took that to mean you were confirming that you were claiming it was a conspiracy despite your following words.  

I'm glad you are sitting on the fence and not deciding each way.

Quote from: Abnaxus on May 09, 2011, 10:06 PMbut you neither don't have any about what they said or showed.

Ok, here's where we disagree.  I believe that there is absolutely no evidence that this was a controlled demolition.  No one put bombs in the building.  If there's no evidence of it then why would anyone believes it's true.

There is overwhelming evidence that Al-Qaeda terrorists hijacked planes and flew them into the WTC.  We all saw the planes hit and the buildings fall down.

We can talk about the demolitions themselves.  Loose Change does a great job of making them look suspicious by showing certain angles of the buildings falling and not showing pictures which present a clear picture.  Controlled demolitions start from the bottom of buildings, the twin towers fell from the top.  The angle wasn't straight down http://www.debunking911.com/collapse.htm

You can also watch videos of controlled demolitions and the sound that they make.  No such sounds are present on eye witness footage during the collapses.

So from this evidence I discount the controlled demolition theory.

To me, we have strong evidence of who did this, why.  No evidence of foul play.

So I disagree.  We have strong and overwhelming evidence and I can firmly say it's strong enough evidence to form an opinion.

What more evidence do you need man?

Tell me and I'll provide it!

*edit* - Also, are we friends again? :<

no1 says it wasnt al-quaida but al-quaida has many common things with cia and usa goverment so add 2 to 2

Quote from: theredi on May 09, 2011, 11:04 PM
no1 says it wasnt al-quaida but al-quaida has many common things with cia and usa goverment so add 2 to 2

Can you be more specific dude?