Team17 Experimental Cup

Quote from: spleen17 on October 12, 2015, 10:32 AM
You didn;t have to exclude anyone, you could have just waited for 1 more and started with 20. You would still have got the feedback you wanted on the scheme.

It just seems like elitism. You are one of those who is always moaning about the drop in activity... how do you expect new players to start playing if they just get discarded from cups and such? It's a shame to see imo.

With 4 players groups the cup runs more smoothly (u need to arrange games only with 3 players instead of 4). I even asked HHC's opinion on this before I decided to stick to the original plan of 16 players.

Senator: [October 10, 2015, 11:31 AM]
hhc, 16 or 20 players for t17 cup ??
Senator: [October 10, 2015, 11:31 AM]
5 players groups too big?

Those players got discarded only because we had extra players and I was worried that we would have problems finishing the cup with 5 players groups.

There are 15 other cups atm besides all the leagues. That's a lot from which to choose.

Quote from: Senator on October 12, 2015, 07:55 AM
@Kradie

I had no idea how experienced u are. Tus stats are pretty much the only source out there and u hadn't any stats. That indicates u haven't played the tus scheme version much.

A prize is involved because obviously not many would be interested in pure scheme testing. At the same time I wanted a high level competition, which wouldn't be possible without a prize.

I thought about closed signups and at first I had "players will be chosen based on T17 ratings" written in the cup details. But then I realized we might not get enough players that way

@spleen17

Imo it's totally fine to have signups open for some days and then choose players based on objective measures (rating/played games). It would be stupid to just give the spots to those who surf on TUS sites several times per day. This arrangement indeed was fair because it gave everyone a chance, not just for the most active members. I could have selected players by random instead but obviously I didn't want to exclude the best t17 players.

So it's just better to exclude people who haven't got a rating on tus and who might not have played that particular version of the same? This is something that you should have mentioned, You could have taken the liberty to send a private message to those who are in the danger zone and ask about their commitment instead of striking them out.

Listen to what you said here

QuoteThis is "experimental cup" so I wanted players who have a lot of experience of T17 to participate, that's why it was appropriate to choose players based on T17 experience/rating.

and now this

QuoteA prize is involved because obviously not many would be interested in pure scheme testing. At the same time I wanted a high level competition, which wouldn't be possible without a prize.

First this was an experimental cup, then later on in this thread you revealed it's a high level competition, which again you failed to leave in the cup details.

Senator, we had plenty of players, we were close to 20, we only lacked 1 more player. Instead you favored the aristocracy aka the elitists. You rather deal with what you know instead of the unknown with no tittles. 

This whole cup is unfair and Senator swings back and fort of what he wants and what he doesn't. Because of this, no one was really given a chance. I find this situation distasteful.

Hmm? I don't see how my expectations for this cup are in conflict in any way. As mentioned, I wanted

1. get feedback on this scheme version compared to TUS scheme
2. have a high level t17 cup

In both cases experienced t17 players are desired, and in both cases a prize is useful.

Not all players in this cup are experienced t17 players. I could reselect 12 players based on ratings, then select the rest 4 randomly out of the remaining 7 players (using RandomBot in WN) and replace players depending on the result. How does that sound to u?

While I appreciate your approach for solution it wouldn't justify anything. It would only remove players that wanted to partake in an open cup. 
Your thuughts & desires came more apparent as the thread expanded, which again wasn't included in the limited requirements to join this specific cup.
You could reconcile and have this cup open again and let those who were wrongly tossed away get a new chance to come back.
IF you really wanted a cup for the high and mighty, you could have arranged it differently.

KungPow
HHC
Free

I'm available on Friday/Saturday (flexible). tell me what time you want in these days and I'll arrange it.
I also prefer if u could send me a PM so I don't miss your message

Sorry but I don't want 5 players groups so case closed then.. Chelsea and Lukz also played one game already so can't make changes anymore.

Senator, you should be wise to take this advice: If you want to play with your friends, make it private, and don't differentiate people by their rank, it's wrong.

What a group I have gotten!

Csongi, Berria, WhiteRabbit:

Is Next Sunday 17 GMT fine?

We are moving to 5 players groups after all. Apologies for the bad cup info and welcome back Kradie + the others

I can play CUP games  07:00-12:00 GMT weeksdays &  00:00-13:00 GMT on weekends
please tell me when you can play and I will try be  there !

Quote from: pizzasheet on October 21, 2015, 10:58 AM
I can play CUP games  07:00-12:00 GMT weeksdays &  00:00-13:00 GMT on weekends
please tell me when you can play and I will try be  there !

Chelsea, Lukz and Mega'Adnan, please reply to pizzasheet's message. Otherwise u risk giving a free win to him..

GreatProfe, propose a new date and the others should then reply. You could also have a visit in AG (they all use snooper)

Quote from: Senator on October 23, 2015, 08:38 AM

Quote from: pizzasheet on October 21, 2015, 10:58 AM
I can play CUP games  07:00-12:00 GMT weeksdays &  00:00-13:00 GMT on weekends
please tell me when you can play and I will try be  there !

Chelsea, Lukz and Mega'Adnan, please reply to pizzasheet's message. Otherwise u risk giving a free win to him..

GreatProfe, propose a new date and the others should then reply. You could also have a visit in AG (they all use snooper)

hahhahaha xD I saw him online 3 times -> last week, thursday and friday he didn't anser me and yesterday he didn't wnana play coz he was drunk... 

Quote from: Chelsea on October 23, 2015, 08:49 AM
hahhahaha xD I saw him online 3 times -> last week, thursday and friday he didn't anser me and yesterday he didn't wnana play coz he was drunk... 

Ok but he is waiting that u tell him date & time (within given hours), then he will show up in AG

Quote from: Senator on October 23, 2015, 08:38 AM

Quote from: pizzasheet on October 21, 2015, 10:58 AM
I can play CUP games  07:00-12:00 GMT weeksdays &  00:00-13:00 GMT on weekends
please tell me when you can play and I will try be  there !

Chelsea, Lukz and Mega'Adnan, please reply to pizzasheet's message. Otherwise u risk giving a free win to him..

GreatProfe, propose a new date and the others should then reply. You could also have a visit in AG (they all use snooper)

I already did with Berria and I'm going to play the entire Sunday too.

still waiting my group mates show their faces