[SOLVED] Lukz Avoiding

[Sbaffo]

You guys ready for the drama?

I've sent this to MI yesterday:

Hello MI!

Yesterday i asked Lukz to play tus (in private). Since i was sure he was ignoring me on purpose, i spammed him:

(User) 29/05/2016 19:44:38 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:21 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:22 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:22 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:22 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:22 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:23 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:23 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:23 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:23 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:23 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:24 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:24 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:24 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:24 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:24 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:25 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:25 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:25 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:25 Sbaffo`: tus?


No answer.


5 minute later, he went tusing with dibz in ag:

(Channel) 29/05/2016 19:52:21 dt-dibzz: tus anyone
(Channel) 29/05/2016 19:52:48 wLukz: me dibz
(Channel) 29/05/2016 19:52:51 wLukz: host up

At this point i get a bit mad.

(User) 29/05/2016 19:55:44 Sbaffo`: i asked you tus 100 times
(User) 29/05/2016 19:55:47 Sbaffo`: why the f@#! you avoiding me
(Channel) 29/05/2016 19:55:47 wLukz: is away: I am playing!

But i didn't give up, i wanted know why he was avoiding me. Meanwhile he played other 2 tus with senator and during this conversation he was asking to him for 2 more:

(User) 29/05/2016 22:07:28 Sbaffo`: hello? tus? still avoiding me?
(User) 29/05/2016 22:08:29 Sbaffo`: you could play tus with me instead of asking senator for 2 more
(Channel) 29/05/2016 22:10:44 wLukz: i didn't like play vs u
(Channel) 29/05/2016 22:10:46 wLukz: xD
(User) 29/05/2016 22:10:54 Sbaffo`: why?
(Channel) 29/05/2016 22:10:57 wLukz: u are very agressive to play and speak xd
(User) 29/05/2016 22:11:10 Sbaffo`: show me a chat where i've been rude with you
(Channel) 29/05/2016 22:11:14 wLukz: its hard enjoy a game with you
(Channel) 29/05/2016 22:11:24 wLukz: just see our last tus
(User) 29/05/2016 22:11:52 Sbaffo`: done
(User) 29/05/2016 22:12:21 Sbaffo`: there's not a single direct insult
(User) 29/05/2016 22:13:21 Sbaffo`: you're actually afraid to lose points
(Channel) 29/05/2016 22:13:27 wLukz: i am not speaking about insults
(Channel) 29/05/2016 22:14:05 wLukz: i speak about of enjoy a game and play quiet
(User) 29/05/2016 22:14:19 Sbaffo`: can you explain your self better
(Channel) 29/05/2016 22:14:27 wLukz: na, dibz is better that u
(Channel) 29/05/2016 22:14:33 wLukz: and i play with him
(Channel) 29/05/2016 22:14:35 wLukz: xD
(User) 29/05/2016 22:14:42 Sbaffo`: can you explain your self better
(Channel) 29/05/2016 22:15:07 wLukz: no, i can't, my english isn't good, sorry
(User) 29/05/2016 22:15:39 Sbaffo`: well if you don't like that i write in the chat or what i say just ignore me
(User) 29/05/2016 22:15:45 Sbaffo`: ctrl+f1
(User) 29/05/2016 22:15:49 Sbaffo`: it's not that hard
(User) 29/05/2016 22:15:56 Sbaffo`: you're actually afraid to lose points
(Channel) 29/05/2016 22:16:10 wLukz: yea, that is coz i play with dibz
(User) 29/05/2016 22:16:43 Sbaffo`: so you admit that's you're avoiding me?
(User) 29/05/2016 22:19:12 Sbaffo`: Come on answer
(Channel) 29/05/2016 22:19:16 wLukz: is away: I am playing!
(User) 29/05/2016 22:19:20 Sbaffo`: i'll talk about admins about your behaviour
(Channel) 29/05/2016 22:19:24 wLukz: is away: I am playing!
(Channel) 29/05/2016 22:19:32 wLukz: i will finish our tus with ren
(Channel) 29/05/2016 22:19:36 wLukz: he left yesterday
(Channel) 29/05/2016 22:19:40 wLukz: see ya mate

These were our 2 last games, which the only thing i did was complaining about him hiding top:

https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-209240/
https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-209241/

He's been avoiding me for at least 1 week and i don't like this, i can't get 1st because i've got limits with many players and this guy avoids me for apparently no reason (?), and it looks like he's been doing that with Daina also, in addition Lalo had already told me about his behaviour:

(Channel) 15/05/2016 19:36:52 lalo: btw have you played with lukz?
(User) 15/05/2016 19:37:00 Sbaffo`: i did yesterday, why?^
(Channel) 15/05/2016 19:37:26 lalo: oh nothing, I thought he was just asking fur tus via pm
(User) 15/05/2016 19:37:37 Sbaffo`: lol, does he do it?
(Channel) 15/05/2016 19:37:48 lalo: kinda lol

So, apparently avoiding tus via pm is allowed on this league?
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This was his answer:

Hi,

You should post it on leagues complaint board. If moderators agree, they'll give you a free win which forces the other player to play that game with you.

[spleen17]

*popcorn*

[nino]

Baffa!!

Nevermind dude..let this puto play who he wants...if hes avoiding ur cock..that means it is big and strong... got his address? send antrax! hauhauhua

[Senator]

(Channel) 29/05/2016 22:10:44 wLukz: i didn't like play vs u

Didn't see anything in the previous game chats that would justify avoiding (I've complained about mid/top hiding to Lukz too). Dunno why he wants to avoid Sbaffo but still plays vs dibz, though

Free win approved anyway. Lukz has one week to play the game if he wants (or 5 days coz the season is ending).

[Sensei]

"Avoiding" someone, then playing with wormer of dibz's integrity 5 mins later - should not be called avoiding at all.

[Senator]

As I said, I don't get why he avoided Sbaffo but it's a fact that he did. Unless Lukz provides logs where Sbaffo insulted him or something, Sbaffo is entitled to a free win.

Lukz to me:
(Channel) 29/05/2016 22:04:49 wLukz: more? 0:
(Channel) 29/05/2016 22:04:55 wLukz: look like no clanners xD

(User) 29/05/2016 22:07:28 Sbaffo`: hello? tus? still avoiding me?
(User) 29/05/2016 22:08:29 Sbaffo`: you could play tus with me instead of asking senator for 2 more
(Channel) 29/05/2016 22:10:44 wLukz: i didn't like play vs u

AG channel:
(Channel) 29/05/2016 22:18:41 reN`s: tus ne1?
(Channel) 29/05/2016 22:18:47 wLukz: oye ren
(Action) 29/05/2016 22:19:13 wLukz: is hosting a game: tus (ren cancelled the match so Lukz played 2 more against me instead)

[Peja]

does this mean i am forced to play with everyone who spams my snoop ? this ruling is quite weird, lukz never asked to play in ag, he just agreed to play with dibz.
i never read any rule saying: once someone asks you to play a league game, you are forbidden to start a league game with someone else.

[WTF-8]

i spammed him:

(User) 29/05/2016 19:44:38 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:21 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:22 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:22 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:22 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:22 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:23 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:23 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:23 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:23 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:23 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:24 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:24 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:24 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:24 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:24 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:25 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:25 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:25 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:25 Sbaffo`: tus?

What was you trying to achieve by flooding someone like that? Imagine some random nab coming in #AG and start flooding you like that, how much happy would you be?
if I was Lukz, I'd start avoiding you too

[ANO]

(User) 29/05/2016 22:14:42 Sbaffo`: can you explain your self better
(Channel) 29/05/2016 22:15:07 wLukz: no, i can't, my english isn't good, sorry

Best excuse auhauh My English very little English!

it seems Lukz doesn't like certain users, he also kicked me yesterday... it's ok, we cannot like everybody, this community is still alive cause of dramassssss uahuhaa

[Senator]

If u noticed there was a 6 mins gap between the first and second "tus?" Sbaffo started flooding because Lukz ignored him.

[Senator]

does this mean i am forced to play with everyone who spams my snoop ? this ruling is quite weird, lukz never asked to play in ag, he just agreed to play with dibz.
i never read any rule saying: once someone asks you to play a league game, you are forbidden to start a league game with someone else.

There's a difference between playing with friends here and then and competing for the PO spots. Sbaffo and Lukz are both competing for the PO spots so they are not allowed to avoid certain players like that. I haven't talked much with Lukz but he still asked me tus. It's not like he just wanted to play tus with his buddies. For some reason he wanted to play tus against any player except Sbaffo.

[Sbaffo]

does this mean i am forced to play with everyone who spams my snoop ? this ruling is quite weird, lukz never asked to play in ag, he just agreed to play with dibz.
i never read any rule saying: once someone asks you to play a league game, you are forbidden to start a league game with someone else.

Doing it more than once implies that you're avoiding actually. Also i'm fighting for the 4th overall position and the 1st season position, and, as i cannot play almost anyone because of the game limits, he must play me.

[skunk3]

I would avoid behavior as annoying as that too. Is there some rule that dictates that you have to play a game vs. someone if they ask?

[Sbaffo]

i spammed him:

(User) 29/05/2016 19:44:38 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:21 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:22 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:22 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:22 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:22 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:23 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:23 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:23 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:23 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:23 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:24 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:24 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:24 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:24 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:24 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:25 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:25 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:25 Sbaffo`: tus?
(User) 29/05/2016 19:50:25 Sbaffo`: tus?

What was you trying to achieve by flooding someone like that? Imagine some random nab coming in #AG and start flooding you like that, how much happy would you be?
if I was Lukz, I'd start avoiding you too

I'd immediatly answer someone who'd do that instead of ignoring him.

I would avoid behavior as annoying as that too. Is there some rule that dictates that you have to play a game vs. someone if they ask?

You don't play league, get out from these forums and go play some "competitive" matches

[Peja]

does this mean i am forced to play with everyone who spams my snoop ? this ruling is quite weird, lukz never asked to play in ag, he just agreed to play with dibz.
i never read any rule saying: once someone asks you to play a league game, you are forbidden to start a league game with someone else.

There's a difference between playing with friends here and then and competing for the PO spots. Sbaffo and Lukz are both competing for the PO spots so they are not allowed to avoid certain players like that. I haven't talked much with Lukz but he still asked me tus. It's not like he just wanted to play tus with his buddies. For some reason he wanted to play tus against any player except Sbaffo.

could you please link me to the rules section telling about these differences, or show me any conversation with mods about a definition of avoiding? i asked when this rule got introduced, franz just said: "mods will look at each case". ropa was the only one trying to give a definition:
"What is proof is taking a picture of someone asking to TUS for half an hour and when you ask him to he ignores you / joins a different game of someone who asked afterwards etc..."