Electric Cigarettes

[TheKomodo]

Its no overstatement to say that the e cig is one of the most useful inventions of the 21st century

Hmm, I can't agree with that until we see what long-term effects this product has, remember, even cigarettes can take a whole lifetime to deliver the fatal blow, I think if with e-cigs it has long/lifetime side effects it's another useless invention, but so far, you could be right, if it is a longterm success I think it will go down as one of the greatest inventions of the last 1000 years (in terms of health & safety, reducing death by tobacco etc).

[Rok]

... if it is a longterm success I think it will go down as one of the greatest inventions of the last 1000 years...

Easy there, komo, lol.

[TheKomodo]

... if it is a longterm success I think it will go down as one of the greatest inventions of the last 1000 years...

Easy there, komo, lol.

I am being serious mate, how many people smoke? How many people die from smoking? Saving literally an uncountable number of lives from here on...

How can that not be a great invention? Then again, depends on personal opinions...

[NAiL]

komo m8: Why do you always have to find something to disagree on even though you generally agree with the crux of what im saying? Its kinda annoying because you can see I know what im talking about here. I wouldnt write anything I havent already justified or could easily justify in another post (like im doing now). You just wrote a few paragraphs on how great the e cig is as it allows people to smoke indoors and in public places without leaving any odour. The fact that the e cig allows smokers the freedom to get their nicotine anywhere they please without having to stand out in the freezing cold or pouring rain, that fact ALONE makes it an incredibly useful invention.

I agree with you, until longterm studies have been carried out (the e cig has only been around for the last 10 years) we cannot say that they are 100% safe. What we can look at are the tens of thousands of testimonies from ex smokers who look and feel a whole world better than they did before since giving up traditional cigarettes. Technology and human knowledge is far superior to what it was when cigarettes first came around, we generally already know what the long term effects of inhaling a substance will be. Have any ill effects of using E cigs been found in the 10 years of their existance? No, they havent. A 7 month study was carried out in New Zealand to investigate the effects of the inhalation of both propylene and vegetable glycol. Where any ill effects found? No.

Can we conclusively say that the device is 100% safe? No, not yet. Can we conclusively say that the device has been approved by the food and drug administration for human use? Yes. Can we conclusively say that e cigs are a safer, healthier alternative to traditional cigarettes? Yes we can. Can we conclusively say that a device that is UNDOUBTEDLY safer than traditional cigarettes, and a device that has enabled thousands of people to give up traditional cigarettes is one of the most useful inventions of the 21st century? Yes, we can, whole heartedly.

[TheKomodo]

What you trippin about nail, why does everyone here always say I disagree with everything I don't lol, I just try to see things from every perspective I can before making my choice, all I said was I can't agree on that until I have proof about long-term effects, I ain't threatening you or anything lol chill mate

[NAiL]

Mate I am chilled and grateful for your post because it allowed me to further talk about the benefits of e cigs.

BUT

You confuse me... I mean you pull me up on the greatest invention point, then rok pulls you up on it and you defend my original point! No worries man its all good debate.

[cOke]

Absolutely, i've also read somewhere that the propylene glycol has been used in asthma inhalers for over 50 years with no ill effects and to continue smoking real cigarettes because of the very low possibility of some minor risk is ridiculous given the damage inhaling tobacco smoke does, the way I see is it is you may as well give it a go.

I always weighed up my want to continue to smoke with potential long term risks + short term issues and smoking won every single time. Now here is a way to continue smoking yet remove the risks almost completely.

Basically I completely agree with what NAiL said, this is my 4th day so far, had one real cigarette that I didnt even need. It seems to me to be not a complete replacement so far but i'm hoping when I get a decent e-cig with some nice flavours that will all change. It is absolutely the easiest, more enjoyable few days i've ever had without smoking, it has literally felt like nothing and required no will power on my part.

Also given the nature of cigarette addiction it could well be that only in 20 years when you have throat cancer that you actually want to quit enough to do it. The delayed risk that smoking poses is what is dangerous since it's difficult to internalise and assess risks that aren't immediate. Nicotine messes with your brain chemistry so that the majority of the enjoyment comes from the fact you're satisfying the need for nicotine more than any inherent enjoyment from the process of smoking.

I hope it sounds like one day I would eventually like to be free of nicotine addiction because I would - the entire thing is particularly stupid because the entire enjoyment comes from satisfying some feeling or need that you wouldn't even have if you weren't addicted. It's like having a constant headache and 'enjoying' paracetamol tablets. Nicotine isn't harmful in itself, the risks come from the tar and the thousands of other chemicals in smoke, so why bother smoking when there's a 99.9999% alternative.

It just absolutely defies any reasonable explanation why anyone would not even give this a go before signing it off as bullshit, I haven't tried patches yet so I can't vouch for how effective that is but patches are expensive as f@#! and this way you retain all the habits and get a nicotine fix that is comparable and more or less identical to regular cigarettes. I do think perhaps smokers do get some enjoyment that non-smokers would otherwise miss out on, wanting a cig isn't particularly comparable to having a headache, there is no great pain involved in wanting one and its nice to finally satisfy that feeling.

I would also like to add that i'm not past the finish post yet if there even is one, its only been a few days but since these are usually the hardest i'm pretty confident its doing its magic. I have also read that nicotine isn't the only addictive substance in tobacco smoke so this may be the reason why I still have some minor residual want for a real cig, but given its not particularly an issue for me and given a few more days hopefully this will disappear too.

@komo, the long term risks aren't known, but it's pretty accepted nicotine on its own isn't harmful and so far PG doesn't seem to be either - I don't know what choice you're talking about (whether it's the invention of the past 1000 years?) but given the harm reduction this 100% provides it's an no brainer for me. Also see the stuff above re: the enjoyment more or less only being from satisfaction of a nicotine craving - this is what I tired to explain to you before when you were giving up in less elegant terms, and if you're still adamant you weren't addicted then maybe an e-cig with 0mg nictoine could do the same thing for you. Well done tho mate you gave up pretty easily from what I could tell.

f@#! that was a long post.

edit: make that 2 in 4 days, still not bad. Royal Mail has let me down today no post 

[NAiL]

Nice testimony mate! As you said it only gets easier as time goes on, and it really isnt that much effort anyway! I personally preferred the e cig to traditional ones from the moment I tired it, so it was an enjoyable transition, no stress whatsoever. I hope your package comes soon!

[cOke]

You know it makes sense! No effort in the slightest, only cigs i've smoked have been cause i'm a bit sick of the menthol flavour, bad vaporiser or the battery has run out.

I can't recommend it enough and this is coming from someone who has smoked for 8+ years and never thought I would get ever find a replacement for it.

[cOke]

f@#!, just a quick update, the Riva 510 is absolutely amazing, tons of vapour compared to my other one, it literally makes all the difference. Don't have to redrip every few mins either and all the flavours taste absolutely lush.

I would make the comparison with smoking a hookah pipe, tons of vapor (like smoke from a hookah), and depending on what liquid you got the fruity flavour too. Its exactly like smoking a hench water pipe more than regular cigs imo, much more enjoyable.

[CJ]

glad i found this, might seriously look into it. ony problem eing 50 quid is a lot to outlaywhen im unemployed and only get dole but.... thinking it could be seriously worthwhile

[cOke]

If you use the code ECR69 you can get 15% off so the Riva 510 lite bundle for £26, liquids are a few quid each. Looking around 35 with shipping and a few liquids which should last you a while.

I've already coughed up a ton of shit and teeth look whiter already, should save money eventually but outlay is a bit of a bitch and probably won't break even for a few weeks yet. If you're a heavy smoker should break even quicker, tax on uk cigs is a f@#!ing scam lol.

[Cueshark]

Just got one and quit fags.  Although not sure about smoking this e-cig in public yet.  Don't see why not though.

[NAiL]

haha nice man, which did you get?

Mine broke some months ago and I couldnt be bothered to order new parts again, so ive been back on the herb.
I will order a new one and quit again, the only reason I went back to fags was because my e cig started playing up, when it works I dont want any tobacco at all. The transition from smoking to vaping is beautiful, going from vaping back to smoking is revolting and you really notice just how disgusting cigarettes are then you get used to them again.

You can buy ones that look just like a normal fag at a glance, better for smoking in public. I used to enjoy telling everyone about this life saving device when I first got it, it was always a point of conversation when around new people but eventually it became tiresome repeating myself over and over. People always wanted to try it too.. mainly the non smokers! Its no big deal though, and it actually encourages you to smoke less in public due to the hassle, which is good.

You "can" smoke them anywhere, apparently... but thats still pretty obnoxious. Sometimes I would have a cheeky puff on the bus or train, then slowly let out the smoke trying to be discreet, people didnt know what to make of it rofl.... funny.

I would recommend a new brand of e cig called 20motives, not so great if you want to make your own juices n stuff like that, but it feels so nice to hold and the flavour it comes in tastes great, ima buy some of them!

Good luck m8, hopefully you also lose the nicotine addiction in time. man its all a waste of time, wish id never started smoking!

[Anubis]

Not making a fuss about it, but I just recently read in the newspaper that e-cig can "explode" in the mouth. Just google it, plenty of results.