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But pestering members over and over to donate isn't right, it's just annoying.

Seeing one random public comment on forum (not priv msg) about donations once per 2 years is annoying? I wonder how annoying you would find websites with actual 20 ads upon each visit, but okay... 

Nothing wrong asking for donation, but not done unofficially and excessively. I would say 2 to 4 times a year is sufficient to ask for donation by the Headmaster.

Suits my own rhetoric? Perhaps my own arguments so far holds a little more merit than others.

There is no escaping the Inevitable fact that MonkeyIsland Indeed have done great things to this Worms Armageddon community, and that we could show a little gratitude now and then. But gratitude comes and goes and could be also shown in various forms, not just through capital.

If money was truly an issue for TUS, I would then think it couldn't had survived for 14 years is it? No, MonkeyIsland doesn't strike me as person who ask people for money repeatedly, or even at all. I would like to believe that it is more about providing a central hub for people with similar interest. And if people would donate now and then, then that would be an extra, but not a necessity of the sustainability of the website. Because I think we already have established that MonkeyIsland isn't in it for the money.

It is obvious that ZaR community wouldn't be what it is today without TUS, perhaps nothing at all. That doesn't mean I don't recognize the value of MonkeyIsland's work.

  For the record, I am not asking on behalf of MI, I am asking on behalf of thewalrus and all the other heroes that realize this website we utilize isn’t free. 

You can keep telling yourself that but that's what you are doing is cyber begging. You also make it sound that lot of people on TUS and WA aren't ''heroes'' and that they don't live up to your standards, that they are ''Ignorant''. It is obvious that ''nothing'' is free. But there is no ''catch'' here on TUS.

Races in RealTime are mostly "everyone, look at me" spectacles. There is nearly zero interaction between swingers, perhaps slightly more interaction in Jetpack race. You might say "Hey, Zalo, just because you are so far behind it doesn't mean that there is zero interaction, you just suck". Well, go to your chatbox and tell me how many exchanges there are during the game. Tell me if your performance, there in the race, is a direct response to your opponent.

I even ​had some Zar roper close the game upon reaching #1 place, because he didn't care to see who will be #2, #3, #4 we just stopped existing to him and he forgot about us I realised that I have been travelling through the map all this time, all by myself. I could have as well just played (Offline) match with 1 team 

If a player is far behind like a minute or more in a real time race game, it only stands to reason to host again Immediately. It is true that is ''Respectful'' to wait, but not if the person is far behind. I also had to stop racing and accept the fact that I shouldn't keep people waiting. That's just how it is. IT is not about the ''more experienced players'' dueling and flexing to each other though. This might develop resentment to other players and understandably so, but I ask you to remember that it is about fun, interaction, and Improvements. IF you are last, you can choose to continue to Improve. You are welcome to come back, and I don't care for people's skill anyway.

Quote from: Kradie on January 28, 2022, 08:32 PM

Quote from: TheWalrus on January 28, 2022, 08:23 PM

Quote from: Kradie on January 28, 2022, 09:13 AM

Quote from: TheWalrus on January 27, 2022, 07:37 PM

Donate to TUS!  MI runs this site with no advertisements, you can get an extra community slot for donating.  Most of the people here have played WA for hundreds if not thousands of hours, time to give back.

A paywall to expand community slots in a third party site of Worms Armageddon is an unnecessary monetization at this time. Why? Because the user base isn't that great. The Idea to have more slots could encourage new people to this site. How? Say that I am in 2 communities, and I wish to make another community for a particular purpose, this could encourage old but foremost new players to the site. ZaR community has already accumulated a few people to TUS, so you can only choose to Imagine how many people new communities that could bring to TUS.

 Simple changes can make great difference. If you are worried about losing exclusive benefits then don't, I am sure there will be more exclusive benefits for people that had already donated and to those that chooses to donate anyway. I am just talking about giving the option to build more communities under the same roof So if it so happen that MnkeyIsland sees the necessity to monetize in other ways then why not?  I am sure it is for the benefit for the Worms Armageddon community. 

And if there is a future where more community slots become real popular, I am sure there can be a way to profit from it, if that is the primary concern of course. I don't mind capitalism at all, it is the very foundation of our society compared to communism.

No one is joining TUS because they will get an extra community slot.  You hammered out a lot of paragraphs, you could have summed it up by saying no, I will not donate.  Give MI money and make TUS great again.

You missed the entire point, James. Bravo....

Also in your case, you should not hustle people for charity on behalf of other. A person is not less a man that chooses not to donate.

Also, #1 charity hustler guy.  A man is indeed less than a man that donates.

That's where you're wrong. Just because a person chooses not to donate doesn't make them less valuable. In some cases there are other forms of charity than money.

And I don't think it is okay for you to ask TUS members on behalf of MonkeyIsland for donation. I am sure if MonkeyIsland really needed the money, I would think he would find another source of revenue. But from my point of view it doesn't seem as urgent as you make it out to be. TUS is great, and to my understanding MonkeyIsland is currently developing a new version of TUS. He probably does this at his free time, when the mood strikes, and if he would think money would motivate him, I am sure he would have humbly asked for it, that's conjecture of course.

What are you are doing now James, is counterproductive and has the opposite effect, it doesn't help anyone or TUS.

Quote from: Kradie on January 28, 2022, 09:13 AM

Quote from: TheWalrus on January 27, 2022, 07:37 PM

Donate to TUS!  MI runs this site with no advertisements, you can get an extra community slot for donating.  Most of the people here have played WA for hundreds if not thousands of hours, time to give back.

A paywall to expand community slots in a third party site of Worms Armageddon is an unnecessary monetization at this time. Why? Because the user base isn't that great. The Idea to have more slots could encourage new people to this site. How? Say that I am in 2 communities, and I wish to make another community for a particular purpose, this could encourage old but foremost new players to the site. ZaR community has already accumulated a few people to TUS, so you can only choose to Imagine how many people new communities that could bring to TUS.

 Simple changes can make great difference. If you are worried about losing exclusive benefits then don't, I am sure there will be more exclusive benefits for people that had already donated and to those that chooses to donate anyway. I am just talking about giving the option to build more communities under the same roof So if it so happen that MnkeyIsland sees the necessity to monetize in other ways then why not?  I am sure it is for the benefit for the Worms Armageddon community. 

And if there is a future where more community slots become real popular, I am sure there can be a way to profit from it, if that is the primary concern of course. I don't mind capitalism at all, it is the very foundation of our society compared to communism.

No one is joining TUS because they will get an extra community slot.  You hammered out a lot of paragraphs, you could have summed it up by saying no, I will not donate.  Give MI money and make TUS great again.

You missed the entire point, James. Bravo....

Also in your case, you should not hustle people for charity on behalf of other. A person is not less a man that chooses not to donate.

Donate to TUS!  MI runs this site with no advertisements, you can get an extra community slot for donating.  Most of the people here have played WA for hundreds if not thousands of hours, time to give back.

A paywall to expand community slots in a third party site of Worms Armageddon is an unnecessary monetization at this time. Why? Because the user base isn't that great. The Idea to have more slots could encourage new people to this site. How? Say that I am in 2 communities, and I wish to make another community for a particular purpose, this could encourage old but foremost new players to the site. ZaR community has already accumulated a few people to TUS, so you can only choose to Imagine how many people new communities that could bring to TUS.

 Simple changes can make great difference. If you are worried about losing exclusive benefits then don't, I am sure there will be more exclusive benefits for people that had already donated and to those that chooses to donate anyway. I am just talking about giving the option to build more communities under the same roof So if it so happen that MnkeyIsland sees the necessity to monetize in other ways then why not?  I am sure it is for the benefit for the Worms Armageddon community. 

And if there is a future where more community slots become real popular, I am sure there can be a way to profit from it, if that is the primary concern of course. I don't mind capitalism at all, it is the very foundation of our society compared to communism.

For a long time now there's been more than 2 community slots reserved for people who have donated, and rightfully so. But perhaps now it is time to give regular members more community slots, and compensate donaters with other exclusive benefits. I think this could encourage more engagement in the WA community and tie us more together.

What do you think MonkeyIsland, and others?