Hey devilage

This was different from silkworm.. silkworm's aimbot was good, but you could only do direct shots with it, no bounces. You could also preview your shot with this so you could call your shot first with the teleport cursor.

Quote from: avirex on June 15, 2013, 05:49 PM
i dont remember the clan you were in, or the clan i was in for the matter....

but it was many years ago.. (you already said pre-2007)  and you DID play clanners with this bot, i got pissed and said theres no f@#!ing way u can play this good :DD you admitted it was aim bot, and that was the end of it...   never thought much of it again until now.

I played some clanners with this bot. Nothing crazy but definitely a few. Actually I think I remember that game you're talking about now that you mention it, which considering how bad my memory sucks it must have been funny as f@#! for me to remember it. 

Quote from: avirex on June 15, 2013, 02:09 PM
well said j0e..


i remember when you used to own at bng.  (im pretty sure you were cheating though,  you had some aim bot)

Meh.. there used to be an aimbot that worked about 7 years ago.. but it hasn't worked for a long time. I used it a few times.

BnG is the most boring scheme ever. When you brag about how great you are at BnG, you're just bragging about what a boring person you are. If BnG was actually fun, more people would have bothered to get good at it.

Team17 is just a shit company now. They're in their final death spiral, and I say good riddance.

I've roped with a Logitech Deluxe 250 keyboard for about 6 years with no problems. No keylock, and it was only $6.99. It's discontinued but there are some cheap ones on eBay still.

The spacebar is reliable but it has a pretty far travel and slowish return spring. Just don't expect to tap ultrafast... but it's not as bad as it sounds.

I also had a cheap Microsoft keyboard, and the Logitech was a lot better for worms. The arrow keys are more sensitive, so they allow finer movement (quite noticeable in SSR). And the keyboard itself is just way quieter, so if you live with other people they won't think you're as much of a freak.

I've never used any keyboards worth more than $10.. so make of this what you will.

Ignoring those bogus dictionary definitions, what Komo is basically saying is that, as long as the technology is available to everyone, we should be allowed to rope with brain implants that sense our control inputs.

QuoteDo you mean pressing 2 at the EXACT same moment of time but it shoots them 1 after the other at the fastest speed possible by the game?

Yes. Not AHK, a different program... just a normal remapper like Intes Keychange. Just a simple remap, not a script or a macro.

QuoteAm I right in assuming, if you hold 2 fingers together (kinda like when you, you know, with a girl ) and press 2 buttons down at the exact same time (1 action) it treats it as 2 seperate actions?

Lol . Yeah, something like that. If you spam/tap fast enough with enough "spaces" it will actually keep tapping for a second after you stop until they've all been pressed.

QuoteIf that IS this script, then it isn't my fault no one has explained it properly and we've ended up with this massive debate, and yeah, I am completely wrong.

I said, earlier in this thread, "there are some remappers that will accept both inputs, even if the two spaces are pressed at the same time, and input one space right after the other." That's pretty clear- don't blame me for you not understanding it.

Quotej0e, with or without AHK, the timing would still be exactly the same, so I stick by 2% or less.

Using AHK you don't have to move your fingers as much, meaning there are fewer opportunities for you to f@#! up your timing. There is zero chance of you bungling your quick reverse-shadow, because the space doesn't have to be released before your next rope shot fires. That is a change of the timing.

QuoteAlso, please don't confuse "skill" with "natural talent".

This seems like a pretty meaningless sentence. I don't see how I've confused those two things. Can you elaborate?

If releasing the spacebar isn't a skill, how do you feel about the remapping program I mentioned where you can press two spaces simultaneously, resulting in two rapid space presses?

This is done with a basic remapping program that I haven't named, no special scripting or anything.

Also, those backwards shadows take a lot of skill and timing, unless you've got 2 spacebars or some kind of macro. Your 2% number is bullshit.

That is cheating avi.

Some keyboards have rapid fire buttons included - would you say that isn't cheating? 

Nice roping barman. Props for using one space so well.

QuoteMaybe there is a slight advantage for those starting off, but at the higher levels it doesn't really make a difference.

Alright, maybe for the top 5 ropers it doesn't make much difference..  you may have convinced me of that, but I still think that for 99.9% of people it's an unfair advantage.

Anyway thanks for keeping the responses civil. I went over the top a bit. Finger rolling (2 spaces) has bothered me for a while, but never enough to say something about it, until now I guess.

The argument you just gave is exactly the one I had in mind when I said don't bother arguing. Not that my arguments are ironclad, but you won't convince me that 2 space finger rollers don't have an unfair advantage.

There are no space bars as sensitive/controllable as two separate buttons. With a single space bar, sure you can get a few fast taps, but it's 100 times harder to control than if you're using two buttons.

Part of that is because with 1 spacebar, the downstroke of one finger can prevent the spacebar from lifting from your previous space press if your timing is off. That doesn't happen with 2 buttons because the buttons aren't physically connected. This limitation also affects your timing.

The proof that 2 space "finger rolling" gives an unfair advantage is in the results. Just compare a "finger roller" with a 1 space roper - you don't have to know who is who because it's immediately obvious. Arguing about how WA accepts keyboard inputs and about ideal sensitive spaces, etc, is irrelevant. In theory maybe it works the same, but in practice two-space "finger rollers" have a huge advantage.

You said you doubted if FRing helps. Having the ability to do fast, reliable tapping definitely gives you an advantage in some situations. If you're doing a scroll close to the roof with 1 space bar, for example, you pretty much have to slow down or stop if you get too close to the roof with too much speed, because you can't trust that the spacebar will register, and you'll end up hitting your head on the roof. "Finger rollers" just spam some taps and keep scrolling. I remember watching this exact scenario with barman rr'ing with his last worm in a clanner, where his worm suddenly got really close to the ceiling during a fast scroll, but instead of slowing down he pulled a bunch of impossible taps out of his ass to save his scroll, without losing horizontal speed, with his worm practically touching the roof. That same move would be pretty much impossible, and at least far too risky to attempt, with one space bar. And it would be a lot more difficult to time properly with the above-mentioned limitation of having a single spacebar that is physically one piece. I'm not saying barman isn't a great roper, but when you watch something like that, you are forced to think "wow, he has an unfair advantage".

In the video I posted, the guy can tap pretty fast, but he still can't trust his space bar enough to scroll with a short rope. Using two spacebars eliminates that uncertainty.


On a side note, there are some remappers that will accept both inputs, even if the two spaces are pressed at the same time, and input one space right after the other. But you're not talking about those programs.

This is the only video I've seen of someone actually finger rolling http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Fh9IZpj-Qo

Anyone who 'finger rolls' using 2+ spacebars is a cheater, in my opinion. I have no respect for this fake kind of roping.

And I've heard all the justifications for it so don't bother arguing. Do what dub-c says (who is an excellent roper) and learn to rope the proper way.

No posts in 8 days.. don't tell me you're all giving up that easy!

I have no idea how to fix this. Can you at least join games through http://snoop.worms2d.info/ ?