Find me on discord or TUS preferably. We can plan from there.

Flux seem to have gone missing.

How will group moderators solve this?

Now I have to play fux.. If anybody knows him, seen him around, please tell him I am looking for him to play cup..

Quote from: Rocket on March 02, 2025, 01:31 PM@Kradie we could play today 19 GMT onwards

I may not be able this evening but hopefully sometime this week/end of week. I will keep a lookout anyway.

I messaged Adnan on discord, no reply. Adnan message on discord server recently (not about cup), I replied back, no reply.

Earlier the 24th of January I asked him, but he said ''Tomorrow maybe''.

Flux asked me one time more than a month ago but I said no. I messaged him on TuS, but no reply yet.

It is safe to say I may lose to them, so feel free to process one of them. I thought I'd give update about the situation

I've been busy, but I confess it is not only that I have also lost some motivation, and because of this I semi-forgot about this cup.

I have tried to get @JaGoD  and @Aladdin to play for weeks, but nothing seemed to happen. I was so hesitant to process myself so far into the cup because it is so unearned. But finally I have, so we can wrap this up..


@Rocket When can you play? Hit me up whenever you find me.

I am available for game from 18.00 CET to Midnight 00.00 CET. Find me on snooper or discord ASAP. I will try do the same to find you.

Welcome back! I love your maps! You are absolutely an Icon! Hope to see you swinging soon!

It is good that there is abundance of schemes to choose from on WA, and there is certainly a plentiful of schemes that deserves more recognition, especially some of my own (imo). But I would like to wager that the reason some of these schemes doesn't get enough room to shine, is because of the power of the classics. These classics as I understand are: Intermediate, BnG, Elite, Team17, Shopper, WxW, TTRR, and Roper. The newer classics are: Kaos, Mole, Aerial, and hysteria. Why do we need more schemes? I think the schemes I mentioned are more than enough. These schemes are more established than any other scheme Including most of those that are in Free League. Most people know what these schemes are, and what to expect from them. People who only specializes in obscure schemes (good or not), won't be as Inclined to play the established schemes, and the same goes for the rest. Majority lies with the established.

Keep league simple, with schemes that tests the best attributes and quality of player. Keep it condensed because we are small community.

If hardware is expensive, it is safe to assume in theory with all of its advancement in technology and built, it should be perform better. If a person acquire such high end hardware, he or she, may have significant advantage on paper. But in the end it depends on the person who are in control of the hardware. That is why I mentioned Rocket earlier. He runs his stuff on a poor setup but it is more than enough for him, and yet he is one of the better ropers around nowadays. Rocket clearly outranks me with my better setup, and perhaps others with similar setup. So Indeed, Lalo does speak truth that super fast taps is not everything. I cringe when people do super fast taps because they can't always keep up, and their speed is bad. However, the concern is when a person uses script and learns how to use it, and thus dramatically becomes better, perhaps exceeding others. They exceed others that has good or bad hardware.

I think that in esport tournaments, you are allowed to bring your own hardware, but macros or any other modification is not permitted. So if we use this as a template, then it is safe to say that scripts is not allowed in league games, which already is. That is why I am more lenient to people that wishes to use rope scripts in my rope games. That doesn't mean I like it.

Quote from: Kaleu on February 15, 2025, 12:33 AM@Kradie
It's not automated. Stop making up for what you think it is, and try to KNOW how it works. How can you guys debate something if you are not willing to try it first??

@j0e Many advanced keyboards will do the same action. Are we considering them cheating apparel?

Hmm, such argument can be said in real life ''Hey bro, why don't you take this drug syringe? You will know how it works and It will help you run faster in sprint?''. If I heard this, my mind would Immediately reject it because it would be unethical. It would also be unearned and disrespectful for the actual people who does sprint. All these hours committed to the run would be challenged by people who took a shortcut. I don't like that.

Here's a different answer too. I do not need to know how it works. Why? I seen this in action too many times, and people have told me how it is. Some have even said it automates 50% at least for them! So there is some cheat injected!

If you play Counter Strike, and have enough passion, you would want better equipment. If you have a poor mouse, you try to save up for that instead leaning towards aim bot. If you have poor headphones, you would want better headphones, instead of acquiring wallhack!

Nothing is fair in life! I can totally understand that there are some parts of the world where it is difficult to get decent gear to keep up with others. So it makes sense to lean towards cheats to even the playing field and rationalize it. But there is no honor and integrity to do it this way.

If scripts and software are automated, it is cheat.

Keyboard is not automated unless software is Involved.

Everyone can get software to simulate what hardware can.

Simulating what hardware can do with software, is hack. Counter argument: Modifying keyboard is hack as well.

I have noticed now a trend. There is software, and there is hardware. Some think that software is not cheat, and that it can replace and simulate certain hardware capabilities. Just as much as hardware can do with software. BUT, here is thing.. When you engage with hardware, this require the physical you, your muscles and reflexes are in play. YES, I am aware of this argument ''Rope Script, can be very difficult and harder to master.''. However, automation/aid is still Involved, and you can acquire significant advantage once you fully mastered it. It is still not part of the game itself. It is like to bring drug enhancement to sport games and claim it is a new experience.

I hope Rocket can forgive me to Include him in my post but hear me out. As I gathered by online activities with Rocket, he does not have anything fancy hardware and equipment. He uses a very tired and aged laptop and still kicks ass, and does not use any script enhancing performance automation booster. Simply because he does not need it. You can make it big with 10$ keyboard cheaper or expensive.

To collect good hardware of whatever kind is just a hobby, part of an Interest of a person. This is normal. You may not have the greatest, but that does not mean you have to sink to the lowest.

Quote from: TheKomodo on February 14, 2025, 10:56 AMGood, nice to see most people vote no even if they don't have the guts to call them out for it.

Cheaters are scumbags, period. Including those who try defending the fact they used to cheat.

I also love reading delusional comments that live outside reality, keep them coming lol.

I also like that because I think I am part of your assessment    

I see that there is one person who thinks it is okay to cheat, while the rest do not. This is just an observation.

If a person thinks it is acceptable to cheat in an online multiplayer game, then their ethical stance likely extends to real-life activities such as board games, card games, football, basketball, and more.

People who voted "No" in this topic surely have a stronger sense of ethics and a better moral compass. I can assume that people like this can enjoy video games, board games, and other activities by simply playing fairly. The moment someone introduces aids, cheats, or enhancements, it disrupts the integrity of the activity. The person engaging in such behavior might say, "Don't take it seriously." To begin with, I don't think anyone was taking it too seriously. However, the moment an anomaly was introduced by a third party, people naturally started to take issue with it. The perpetrator may perceive this as others taking things too seriously, but in reality, cheating is a serious matter. It is reassuring to see that most people have voted "No" so far.

Quote from: Corujão on February 13, 2025, 06:44 AMKradie, I understand your indignation.
In an ideal world, players would be honest, but in the real world, we don't have full control over that. The most sensible way is for you to ignore and/or filter better who you play with.

That doesn't mean we should accept and give in. We cannot control other people but we can control ourselves. I think it is better to choose what is right not what is convenient.

Quote from: Corujão on February 13, 2025, 07:15 AMWhy not expand the discussion about cheating instead of reducing it to roping scripts? Let's talk about the clear water publicly available for download on a public page at https://worms2d.info/Water_color_editor ? And why does no one question the fact that a WA developer plays the Team17 crates scheme without seeming suspicious? I wonder if this is hypocrisy or collegiality.

Roping script is a form of cheat due to its automation behavior, same with aim bot. Earlier today I had a game with a person and he said that ''Soul has given me reason to rope better'' or something like that. This person doesn't even realize that Soul uses rope script. Quite frankly I am a bit scared what his reaction will be when he learns the truth. He could probably embrace the convenience of automation. But the cheater's mind will rationale it, and say something like ''This script takes roping to next level, and it is more difficult''.

I wonder why this clear water is even available in the first place? It surely does make it more convenient to those who have it, compared to those that doesn't have it.

Are you Corujao, Implying that Deadcode is actively cheating because he is a WA developer? Could you perhaps go into some detail on this?

Somebody told me something on discord, something that I forgot that I once thought: If someone wants to cheat, they should tell that before the game start or during the game. But here is the thing.. If a person reveals they are cheating, who is to stop them to share their cheats?

It all boils down to the person's ethics. Ethics is derived from a person's real life and their uprising. I cannot cheat or use Innocent aids, because it would conflict with my ethics, I would feel guilty. It fascinates me (psychologically) that people chooses to cheat and rationales it, and it also makes me sad. But I cannot control them, but I can say my piece and hope they take some of the Info to heart.