Quote from: Mega`Adnan on December 23, 2024, 03:38 PM

Quote from: TheKomodo on December 23, 2024, 03:19 PMI will extend the deadline by 1 week for the tiebreaker matches.

@FoxHound @Mega`Adnan @Big Billy

What's going on with your group? I see you've reported extra games.

We had tiebreaker. So Foxhound suggested to play again after losing to him.

Edit: Oh we have to play 1v1v1, didn't see.

Well, the 1v1v1 with other guys was a spur of the moment thing that they agreed on and I allowed it, but sure you guys can do 1v1v1 if you're all on together, if you guys DO find each other send me a PM if on Discord as I'd like to stream it if possible!

I will extend the deadline by 1 week for the tiebreaker matches.

@FoxHound @Mega`Adnan @Big Billy

What's going on with your group? I see you've reported extra games.

Attached is the replay of the 1v1v1 between Peja Vs Rocket Vs TheWalrus.

Quote from: Peja on December 23, 2024, 10:15 AMshouldn't something like this be handled in a more discrete way, like via a report button or just sending messages to mods?
let's just imagine Shtaket did not cheat. The damage to his reputation is already being done. Some people will always think of him as a cheater just because of this thread.
i dont mind going public after evidence is found but posting and discussing cheating accusations isnt healthy for the community in the long term, especially with a small player base like ours.     

I think it's better to report things like this publicly so more people know about it. After all, it IS a league that some people take seriously and many people don't want to play people who are potentially cheating.

It's actually sad in my opinion how little people seem to care about this and I don't mean sad as in "that's cringe" I mean sad as in disappointing, we used to be a community who came together to discover cheaters and actively shame/ban them. I've been accused of cheating many times, even on these forums, and all I do is defend myself, it didn't damage my character at all.

Even if Shtaket is innocent, or at the very least, there's no way to detect whatever that sudden onset of perfect double shot taps is... There's no real harm done, nobody has directly said he's cheating, we're asking IF HE IS cheating, there's a difference.

Meanwhile I want as many people as possible to know that my gut feeling is theres new software out there that can give top tier players an advantage. Every good roper knows that the fastest taps possible are not the do all end all of roping, but in the right hands they DO give an advantage, even if it accumulates to 1 or 2 seconds over an entire race, that's still 1 to 2 seconds of cheating, if it IS cheating. And I've seen many games won by mere seconds.

There is also a possibility that Shtaket, and others, have found a legit, undetectable way of getting these kinds of taps, if that's the case then fair play to them.

I myself have a foot pedal peripheral which can be used to hold down the arrows while tapping with both hands, it's pretty cool but I don't use it or practise with it because I personally think it's an unfair advantage in certain moments.

I also have a program which I documented in Discord, sharing this information with others that can make your mouse wheel fire off the rope giving you literally perfect scrolls and I only used it for a day and achieved this:


So yes, I am very curious about new ways people can achieve perfect taps because although some people may delusionally believe they don't give an advantage, I can most definitely assure you, all the little frames saved adds up and IS an advantage in all the roping schemes.

Long story short, for now we have to give him the benefit of the doubt that he's legit until proven otherwise, it's not a witchhunt.

There was a tiebreak between Rocket, Peja and TheWalrus so they played a 3way tiebreaker 1v1v1, Peja died first, then Rocket beat TheWalrus so Rocket get's #1 TheWalrus gets #2.

Quote from: Rocket on December 22, 2024, 09:44 PM@Kradie in group 3 @TheWalrus and me played only 1 game. 2nd game forfeited by walrus

To clear this up a bit, reason being deadline is due, and Walrus would have to win 2:0 just to make a tiebreaker, then it would force a deadline extension for them to decide who wins again. SO since he loost 1 game there was no point to continue because no other opponents to play in such a short time.

It IS possible that Shtaket got bit by a radioactive spider and became a freak of nature recently who can suddenly get frame perfect double tap shots off. Buuuut I doubt it lol.

I can pull it off maybe once in every 10 attempts with finger roll and or double handed taps, and I'm incredibly fast with extremely good timing...

Shtaket suddenly, and apparently in THIS GAME ONLY manages to do it 10 times in his 1st 3 turns, and another 2 turns in the other turn mentioned, without even checking the rest. Probably many times more by the looks of it I just didn't check them frame by frame because what I did is enough to warrant real evident investigation.

I just don't get it, like many have said Shtaket is good enough he doesn't need to cheat, and whatever it is he's doing in this game doesn't even put him on Masta's level or anything, but it's still highly suspicious, it looks like something which used in the right hands CAN give top tier players an edge via extra stability and split second timing.

That's good, at least now we know flashR has made an effort, it's up to the others now!

RIP group 4

I don't understand why people join Cups then make no effort to get their games played together.

In fact Foghunter seems to have the most struggle with times to play but is making by FAR the most effort to organize their games.

@RIP @flashR @DioZ Why don't you guys get your head out the sand and start organizing your games , I see you all on WormNET often enough.

Unfortunately yeah! @XanKriegor

Says the guy who was literally caught cheating before.

Quote from: Sensei on December 21, 2024, 01:37 AMSad thing is there's obviously more people using this thing while TUSing.

Who? Please let me know so I can check the replays and pass them on to MI/Deadcode.

Ok I've done the first 3 turns...

To save time typing, R = release connection of rope and F = fires rope again.

This is only including perfect frame rapid fire of the rope, when the rope disconnects then fires immediately the very next frame which is 1/50th of a second timing.


1st turn:

0:13.4800 R / 0:13.5000 F

0:22.1000 R / 0:22.1200 F

0:22.9800 R / 0:23.0000 F

0:30.1600 R / 0:30.1800 F

0:32.5000 R / 0.32.5200 F

0.43.4800 R / 0.43.5000 F


2nd Turn:

1:52.4600 R / 1:52.4800 F


3rd Turn:

3:25.9800 R / 3:26.0000 F

3:27.3200 R / 3:27.3400 F

3:42.5000 R / 3:42.5200 F

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I don't even see the point doing anymore, this took about 10 minutes just to do the first 3 turns and I'm not getting paid, this is sufficient enough as far as I'm concerned.

It's in the hands of the mods and developers now.

The WxW maps this thing makes are awesome! Thank you so much for taking the ideas onboard and making this amazing program even better! I've made a bunch of WxW maps already!

Also, do I need to update mine, or is the test version you gave me the latest?

Tomorrow I am going to go through the entire replay and list every single time it happens which is a lot.

But for now here's 2 examples from the turn we mentioned:

If you watch the replay frame by frame at 8:04.2000, you will see at 8:04.2400 he disconnects the rope, then the very next frame on 8:04.2600 he fires the rope again.

This happens again at 8:16.4200 to 8:16:4400.

Now, there are many players who have super fast taps and fast timing who can pull off frame perfect taps like this SOMETIMES, but the inconsistent consistency in which Shtaket does this is uncanny and unnatural, no human has timing that good. You're talking 1/50th of a second happening dozens of times throughout the run.

I say "inconsistently consistent" because he doesn't do super fast scrolling, or super fast shadows for the most part, it's the climbing where he does it, like he knows what he's doing to be careful about it.

Which is a coincidence because climbs are the toughest part of ZaR Big RR where when most people fall, it's during climbs hitting off the wall, having a script for rapid taps can improve your stability while climbing.

Even fingerrollers with LONG rope connections usually get 2/50th or 3/50th for the most part. Hell even the best speedrunners in the world for other games don't have to do frame perfect button presses this consistent in their runs, and whenever someone does even ONE in a speedrun it's considered godly lol.

What's even more strange, if you check Shtakets recent Challenge records for:

https://www.tus-wa.com/challenges/challenge-932/

And:

https://www.tus-wa.com/challenges/challenge-934/

You will see that his roping is normal Shtaket roping, nothing strange there, I was a moderator for Challenges for quite some time up until I was in hospital earlier this year when I asked MI to remove me as moderator, I approved many of Shtakets Challenges, and even after I was removed as moderator I continued to watch them, simply because I enjoy watching good runs of Big RR!

The difference between his normal roping, and whatever he's going here is night and day to me, it's so obvious it's cringe, it's like the same thing Corujao uses in funners but Shtaket is doing it less often and in specific moments, usually when doing climbs.

Notice how the majority of his run is normal taps, so you can say that it's inconsistently consistent when it happens.

His Challenge runs are legit normal roping, but his game versus Sensei is HIGHLY suspicious.

I've spent enough time on this for today, I will return tomorrow or the next day with further analysis.