In this specific case the cheating topic, I do not think I am dividing the community, and here is why.

The poll
The result speaks for itself, overwhelmingly number of people are against cheating in an online multiple game. Moral ambiguity is no longer shrouded in doubt. Though I do believe personally, that most people know very well deep down, that cheating was and is bad anyway.

Royal Ropers (RR). This community was made NOT to chastise and ostracize people who cheats with rope aid. It was made to highlight legit roping, without the use and glorification of rope aid. In addition to that, the recent buzz about rope scripts here on WA, and TUS, acted as a catalyst for RR creation.

Now to another thing..

Buy a new keyboard, or use worn down old keyboard, or use a broken one? I am not going to pretend that most people are sufficient with cash that they can buy expensive keyboards. If you want quality both in build and performance, you can always add more money into that. But it's not for everybody because their economic isn't that strong. Some people might not care for expensive keyboard, and rightfully so because their interest does not reside in such tech. You can easily buy a reasonable gaming keyboard for 10-60 euros Instead of having to rely on cheats.

If a person have enough passion for something, then there's no shame to buy something you can be proud of.

Look to football, if you like playing this sport, then it stands to reason you would buy shoes for best performance within your budget. Maybe you would even support your favorite football club as well.

In general: Why engage in something in that you genuinely love in a unethical fashion rather to buy something within your budget? If somebody is good at something, they have a responsibility to appear legit. It's good people are opening up here and there about their reliance on cheat. But it's not so ok to brush it under the rug because of a faulty key(s) on a kb..

Some months back I roped poorly because of keyboard. I had a Corsair K70 Pro and I was very happy with it. I had no reason to swap it out. But I had no other option because the K70 became partly defected and it didn't give me a good experience on Worms Armageddon. Some of you might think that's outrageous and crazy, but in reality it isn't because I love the game. So changing a keyboard, It's basically swapping out old shoes, keeper gloves, and baseball bat. All in the name for better time. Was it worth it? For me it was, absolutely. I paid approximately 120 bucks for this keyboard. It's also good with refresh as well.

@Micro

I've already made the points in this thread I need to make.

Cheaters are cheaters, once found out their games should be void and they should be banned from competing.

People using scripts are capable of doing moves they wouldn't be able to otherwise.

People who use any kind of cheats no matter how ridiculously they try to justify it are still cheaters and still not as skilled as they appear to be.

Cheaters have zero integrity.

Quote from: Igrokot on July 12, 2025, 08:07 AMIt's cool, but it's kind of crooked. But at least someone thought of doing something like that.

Perhaps something looks crooked, but I have no experience at all in working with sprites, I had to figure it out from scratch) But thanks for the feedback!

Counter-Strike's (CS:GO, CS2) cheating problem is primarily due to official servers not being moderated properly. TUS League is moderated tho.

end of story imo

Quote from: TheKomodo on July 12, 2025, 11:37 AMKradie - You were never super fast at taps anyway, you don't need to be to be a solid roper though, look at blitzed.

Micro - Absolutely nobody is surprised lol.

Not surprised either. Great job on how to completely omit the point i was making Komo.

Kradie - You were never super fast at taps anyway, you don't need to be to be a solid roper though, look at blitzed.

Micro - Absolutely nobody is surprised lol.

WA is optimized for Win11 for me, works perfectly fine.

Also, Chicken23, I somewhat agree with you, hence the 3 scheme TRL thing a while ago. I really enjoyed that but unfortunately wish the idea was 5 years prior so it had much better activity.

Quote from: Kaleu on February 14, 2025, 04:47 PM@FoxHound

I am against cheating as well, but only when it comes to obvious cheating modules/software, like crate spy, aim assist, etc.

My point is: I don't consider the rope script cheating because it's still up for debate. It hasn't been discussed thoroughly enough so far, most of you have just read the opinion of a frustrated community member instead of testing it yourselves. What Shtaket was using was probably a macro and not the script I'm referring to.

I stand by what I say. I will never back down from this, even if all of you call me a cheater (I'm not using it, by the way, you can check my replays as much as you want).
I consider the script an enhancement because the same results can be achieved with good hardware. Period.

If it bothers people, it's because they spent a fortune on hardware and are now upset that money alone isn't enough to take them to the next level.

Since i feel like what Kradie is trying to do is divide the community even more after i called him out the last time and he even started a community that is against cheating in rope particulary i will say my piece now. I dont even mind getting banned or ostracized even more in the community. It just is what it is.

I have started using an AHK script in 2018/19 when i bought a new asus laptop and many players already know this because i never hid it. The script is 2 space remap with the thing that while one space is pressed you can press the other. It would be nice to have thorough report on how many milliseconds this script saves in rope races and such so the myths about this script could finally be dispelled.

So back to 2018-19: the asus laptop i've bought at the time and its keyboard had very bad input lag, not at all meant for gaming (i couldnt play ttrr at all or do a shadow without falling way behind in time) the keys themselves were very poorly produced in quality and i have shown this on photos on discord servers (there was a photo of that keyboards broken keys i had to remap even arrows multiple times, one of the 2 spaces keys was broken in half and the other completely torn from the keyboard and keybed destroyed from regular gaming, so i remapped the keys multiple times and had to get used to playing with new keys every time).

And now finally to the point: to use this script it took me 6months to learn how to rope with it until 2018/19 i was using only one space remapped to rCtrl. Something that takes you 6months to get the hang of and not even fully master shouldn't be considered cheating. Cheating is something that gives you an advantage instantly over other players. And i urge someone that is interested enough to make a frame by frame analysis so we finally can see how many milliseconds this script saves. This would make an impact on competetive play for players that supposedly want an ''even playing field'' but they themselves have bought 200-300USD Corsair and other brands of keyboards while others play on laptop keyboards. It is ridiculous.

Lastly: most players in this forum focus on the use of ''insanely fast taps'' under this post. taps dont win you games guys. taps + arrows and timing and efficiency and method of roping wins you games. I love rope because it is mostly skill based game mode and i love skill based games. The top rope percentile of rope players that i know, know that this script doesnt win you games and feel this topic to be completely outdated but somehow this is still discussed in 2025. So there. This is the last time I'm discussing this topic. If you want to take action against me go ahead. I'm just tired of talking about scripts, tired of being bullied all the time and called a cheater in random games by random aliases. Tired of this community. Luckily still have some friends on this platform so i keép playing this poorly optimalized old game for chats and funs.

Quote from: Chicken23 on July 12, 2025, 08:50 AMI think the community needs a boast through either the next patch update or new tus league system.

I still believe the sandbox environment of worms has led to its own demise because there more and more scheme variations generated, the more divided the community became as people enjoying the same scheme style became smaller groups.

If worms only had 3 schemes like rope, bng and elite it would be way more active as you'd find a game easily in the same you enjoy.

I know people disagree with me tho and cba to debate that in length.


One thing we could do is all donate to MI so he can spend time coding the new league scheme instead of having to work loads to support his family.

I think for people in Iran these days working on a niché competitive game system is the least of their concerns but one day hopefully he can do  it.
As fo or me the biggest con of this game is that it's not optimalized for WIN11. The play is a pain, for me the game minimizes randomly sometimes during matches. Also without deleting all the xbox features and ads that i had to manually disable to even run the game somewhat properly is insane. Other ropers complain about bigger resolutions coming with some sort of input delay or the game not running smoothly especially on bigger maps e.g. in Big rr

I think the community needs a boast through either the next patch update or new tus league system.

I still believe the sandbox environment of worms has led to its own demise because there more and more scheme variations generated, the more divided the community became as people enjoying the same scheme style became smaller groups.

If worms only had 3 schemes like rope, bng and elite it would be way more active as you'd find a game easily in the same you enjoy.

I know people disagree with me tho and cba to debate that in length.


One thing we could do is all donate to MI so he can spend time coding the new league scheme instead of having to work loads to support his family.