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Started by Dmitry, August 01, 2013, 03:10 AM

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LeTotalKiller

#45
Quote from: DarkOne on August 26, 2013, 09:51 PM
WO almost didn't happen this summer because of some people who can't leave the drama (and with it, extra work for mods) out of this.

I knew something was going fishy with these WO. In the tourneys I hosted, people somehow weren't who they used to be. More exactly, it seemed the loyal players went away, leaving WO with just a majority of drama queens who previously were sunk in the masses. Okay, I admit I hosted most of my tourneys in European mornings and/or with not-so-common schemes, but the situation didn't look normal at all nonetheless, especially given the Chilean issue (I'm not intend to insult the country, no - I just wanted to give it a name) we've noticed. What makes me suppose people are gone is that unability to get 24 players for a 2vs2 Abnormal tournament hosted in European evening (despite the popularity of the scheme and the time the tournament took place at, yep).

I can't flesh this post out further but basically yeah, I didn't realize all this completely broke WO (i.e. not just partially), making it look like it almost didn't happen. I just hope this is just a one-time thing and not WA being at an advanced state on its way to death.

Edit: On the other hand though, I think PyroMan did a great job coding RandomBot (I'm sorry for not using it myself but I'd be ready to record videos of the pairing process if anyone is skeptical regarding the randomness of my pairings) and I'm really glad to see people using it as well.

Impossible

randomize pairs on your tool till you get a newbie opponent, film it, cut everything other, and upload on youtube, yeah there already was mods like that :D

here is my suggest:
Once some1 complaint about some1 pairings, this guy automatically get forced to use randombot for some amount of time

LeTotalKiller

Your complaints system looks way more abusable to me, unless complainers are required to have detailed proofs.

As for the video thing, well, maybe enforce a delay between the pairings' announcement and the video's upload. Oh well, I wonder why just being honest is that hard.

Wolfgang

#48
stop the drama sh**** why people cant just fun with this game and enjoy it :/ so much distrust and insults for pairings , this game is made for FUN not to take it serious like u will lose something in real life....

Triad

About that video thing, just start record with writing "I am pairing now" on snooper and pair them.

I wish WO had a pairing system like TUS(considering clans or country) Then there wouldnt be any drama thing etc. Everybody would be happy.



Hurz

can ofc only speak for myself but i think many others handle it similar:
i use  the tools from wo site to pair and i dont see why i should use randombot ( idk how to pair with it anyway).
since im not in clans, give a shit bout nationalism and patriotism (playing for "your" country, wtf...) and play the game for fun - agree with wolfy ther - i dont think anyone can assume me pairing ppl on purpose or misusing the tools to give myself or others "newbie opponents".
if anyone feels treated unfair in my tourneys he should just not take part in it cuz from my view i do evrything to keep it fair for evrybody.
haters enviers n greeders unwelcome :)

LeTotalKiller

#51
Quote from: Wolfgang on August 27, 2013, 07:04 PM
stop the drama sh**** why people cant just fun with this game and enjoy it :/ so much distrust and insults for pairings , this game is made for FUN not to take it serious like u will lose something in real life....

If you're contributing to the destruction of that fun by having very suspicious pairings, then there's no surprise the fun disappears. It's like playing with fire and complaining it burns, really.

Quote from: Triad on August 27, 2013, 07:36 PM
About that video thing, just start record with writing "I am pairing now" on snooper and pair them.

I guess Impo's loophole-finder mind will pretty easily find loopholes in that (something like, writing this and then pairing until pairs are convenient to the mod and cutting out the rest). I thought of showing the chat too. I wonder if having to show the exact current time with seconds increasing during the recording can solve the problem, though.

Quote from: Triad on August 27, 2013, 07:36 PM
I wish WO had a pairing system like TUS(considering clans or country) Then there wouldnt be any drama thing etc. Everybody would be happy.

Reproducing TUS's smart pairings would go against the principle of random pairings (even though the hosting filter does too, to some extent). A good clan/country could easily invade a tourney and gg, get all 3 medals because they don't get to eliminate each other. A TUS-alike system with pairings made on WO's website would also go against the "no registration required" principle FFie put in place since day one.

Finally, speaking of Hurz's post, I'm pretty much in the same boat: UC is doing pretty good without cheating, there are almost no French players and whilst I realize how competitve WO is, I keep playing it with some fun behind it. For those who doubt about the randomness of my pairings, just think of how many times I've got paired against players such as Zwitter in my own tournaments. I admit I use the hosting filter, but that's more for conveniency purposes than for cheating purposes (I don't want to have to call 50 hosters for a tourney, and explaining how to install WormNAT2 to those who can't host just isn't the kind of thing one can do in a few minutes before a tournament starts).

Edit: Mixed up Hurz and Wolf for some reason.

Impossible

Quote from: LeTotalKiller on August 27, 2013, 09:32 PM
I guess Impo's loophole-finder mind will pretty easily find loopholes in that

easily, you can write messege from snoop which will be invisible for everyone :P

Dmitry

#53
Quote from: Wolfgang on August 27, 2013, 07:04 PM
stop the drama sh**** why people cant just fun with this game and enjoy it :/ so much distrust and insults for pairings , this game is made for FUN not to take it serious like u will lose something in real life....

Stop the fervor and now listen.
You are asked to use every tournament RandomBot, but no,
And do not even argue that of pairing you weird.
And now you write that have fun?

Each MOD to show the world that he is clean, but not your.
So for me, you have been, and there










Impossible

yeah dmitry is right, you pairing me only with lukz and saying wtf is wrong with you, just have fun xD


Twyrfher

#56
There are some delicate and unfounded things that have been said against my country in this thread, like this ones:
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Quote from: Dmitry on August 26, 2013, 01:50 AM
Sadly, of course, that the Chileans are afraid RandomBot, hehe :(
Quote from: Impossible on August 26, 2013, 02:51 AM
it's like going to the store, and suddenly  lightning strikes in you.. ofc in case all those pairings is randomized, which is obviously not
Quote from: Dmitry on August 26, 2013, 03:43 AM
U can see , how play Asbest in chilians tourneys :P
Quote from: Impossible on August 27, 2013, 01:07 AM
there is problem wierder than that, everyone know that chilean will f*k me with pairs
Quote from: LeTotalKiller on August 27, 2013, 10:16 AM
but the situation didn't look normal at all nonetheless, especially given the Chilean issue (I'm not intend to insult the country, no - I just wanted to give it a name) we've noticed. What makes me suppose people are gone is that unability to get 24 players for a 2vs2 Abnormal tournament hosted in European evening (despite the popularity of the scheme and the time the tournament took place at, yep).

I can't flesh this post out further but basically yeah, I didn't realize all this completely broke WO (i.e. not just partially), making it look like it almost didn't happen. I just hope this is just a one-time thing and not WA being at an advanced state on its way to death.
Quote from: LeTotalKiller on August 27, 2013, 09:32 PM
Quote from: Wolfgang on August 27, 2013, 07:04 PM
stop the drama sh**** why people cant just fun with this game and enjoy it :/ so much distrust and insults for pairings , this game is made for FUN not to take it serious like u will lose something in real life....

If you're contributing to the destruction of that fun by having very suspicious pairings, then there's no surprise the fun disappears. It's like playing with fire and complaining it burns, really.
Quote from: Dmitry on August 28, 2013, 12:59 AM
Quote from: Wolfgang on August 27, 2013, 07:04 PM
stop the drama sh**** why people cant just fun with this game and enjoy it :/ so much distrust and insults for pairings , this game is made for FUN not to take it serious like u will lose something in real life....

Stop the fervor and now listen.
You are asked to use every tournament RandomBot, but no,
And do not even argue that of pairing you weird.
And now you write that have fun?

Each MOD to show the world that he is clean, but not your.
So for me, you have been, and there


Well, for example, I think that LeTotalKiller is assuming this by reading this thread without knowing what's is really happening, but it's ok, I bring here some stuff than can help to clarify what's going on with the parings.

We started to use RandomBot since August 16-17 aprox. We didn't know that doing the pairings only with Pairings.exe (like always we used to do) would become a seed for bad comments and rumors against us. So, ALL of our tournaments since that day were made by using RandomBot. Here are the extracts of the log from #RH and #PT for each of those tournaments, ordered by hoster:

(I) Bry4n (Every tournament since the Petrolia of August 16)
- You can see all his hosted tournaments here: http://wormolympics.com/results?hoster=Bry4n
- The logs using RandomBot for each tournament:

http://wormolympics.com/t1299#results
[03:30] 14<01 MODxBryan14> 01!pairings Luishero Thouson Gal Asbest Zwitter Bry4N Pleiadian Screw

http://wormolympics.com/t1303#results
[03:33] 14<01 MODxBry14> 01!pairings Wolfgang Bry4N levent pepa Luishero Lukz impo GRiZ guuria Csongi wormystormy gnardogjay hollow NiCo Drumstick mat27

http://wormolympics.com/t1305#results
[04:42] 14<01 MODxHyst14> 01!pairings k1nG Luishero Jago guuria Dead Cyberworms Bry4N impo Zwitter Twyrfher Pleiadian reN Incog LeTotalKiller

http://wormolympics.com/t1313#results
[03:38] 14<01 MODxPetrol14> 01!pairings Luishero Wolfgang wormystormy Bry4N impo Zwitter reN Spider Eduardo Alejandro CiberWorms Pleiadian Incog RunAway


(II) Lukz (Every tournament since the Shopper25sec of August 19)
- His tournaments: http://wormolympics.com/results?hoster=Lukz
- The logs using RandomBot for each tournament:

http://wormolympics.com/t1281#results
[06:22] 14<01 MODxShopper14> 01!pairings Moneda-Errante Asbest sHaDoWMaN Jago Lukz Bry4n EC Wolfgang saifron Luishero PIZZASHEET reN Twyrfher Mayhem stRiNgkiNg Billthefish CyberWorms

http://wormolympics.com/t1314#results
[21:26] 14<01 MODxPLOPPER14> 01!pairings Xrayez Twyrfher Lukz Zwitter Uzurpator Chelsea Pleiadian GadZeT Pyroman Incog z0rk Warg AKT Pr1nCe-EgYpT impo Rage

http://wormolympics.com/t1315#results
This was a SSR with 3 players per round, he couldn't (or didn't know) to make thr rounds with 3 players on each game.

http://wormolympics.com/t1356#results
[03:54] 14<01 MODxTTRR14> 01!pairings Wolfgang Lukz Impo NiCo

http://wormolympics.com/t1292
[22:25] 14<01 MODWxW14> 01!pairings Senator Wolfgang FuN Luishero Frant1c Kinslayer StepS TOMT Pr1nCe-EgYpT wormystormy Csongi Bry4n lalo argo Deejay Pyroman eXzo Lukz


(III) Twyrfher (Evey tournament since the TTRR of August 19. I was the last member of my clan to start to using RandonBot, didn't know that was a good idea until my clan mates asked me to use it to avoid problems)
- My tournaments: http://wormolympics.com/results?hoster=Twyrfher
- The logs using RandomBot for each tournament when RandomBot was available:

http://wormolympics.com/t1077#results
[04:35] 14<01 MODxTTRR14> 01!pairings Twyrfher, Nico, gabriel, Lukz, bry4n, Impo, Wolf, Mre, Asbest, Mayhem, guaton, reN, Luishero, seba

http://wormolympics.com/t1107#results
[21:47] 14<01 MODxRoper2v214> 01!pairings avirex/Statik, eXzo/Amour, Lukz/Twyrfher, Tomi/Chelsea, Kinslayer/Impo, Pr1nCe-EgYpT/Pleiadian, Waffle/swisti, Cyberworms/reN, Csongi/Luishero,

http://wormolympics.com/t1078#results
http://wormolympics.com/t1306#results
On this two tournaments RandomBot wasn't available, so I use as always Pairings.exe but I recorded when I made the pairings and showed the results by Youtube

[23:15] <MODxWxW> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8ZYjLkGeoo
[00:27] * MODxShopper here hare the pairings: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVVo9O5SmrU
[00:52] * MODxShopper 2nd round here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaSEgi2Peyw
[01:26] * MODxShopper Semifinals!!!: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=setTkVWiRHI


(IV) Wolfgang (Every tournament since the Elite of August 25)
- His tournaments: http://wormolympics.com/results?hoster=Wolfgang
- The logs using RandomBot for each tournament when was available:
http://wormolympics.com/t1150#results
[23:24] 14<01 MODxWolfgang14> 01!pairings Wolfgang/Lukz free/Avirex okei/nvm Bry4N/Guaton guuria/Csongi Senator/Hush Zeven/Capitan-J Nico/Devilage StepS/Impo Gabriel/Dilboy

http://wormolympics.com/t1258#results
[19:45] 14<01 MODxElite14> 01!pairings Wolfgang Rafka Incog Random00 Bry4N Lukz nvm VoK South-Park Guaton lales eXzo Chelsea ReN

So, from the last 16 tournaments when RandomBot was available, we always used RandomBot. I have to add this last quote of this tournament:
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Quote[21:47] 00 * MODxRoper2v2 01***** [WO - Roper 2v2 Tournament] Final Player List (10/10): avirex/Statik, eXzo/Amour, Lukz/Twyrfher, Tomi/Chelsea, Kinslayer/Impo, Pr1nCe-EgYpT/Pleiadian, Waffle/swisti, Cyberworms/reN, Csongi/Luishero, Cinek/SteP <------------
[21:47] 14<01 StepS14> 01lol Impo
[21:47] 14<01 Cinek`e2N`14> 01Steps?
[21:47] 14<01 StepS14> 01on prikalyvaetsa nad tem chto mod napisal
[21:47] 14<01 StepS14> 01kak be
[21:47] 14<01 MODxRoper2v214> 01!pairings avirex/Statik, eXzo/Amour, Lukz/Twyrfher, Tomi/Chelsea, Kinslayer/Impo, Pr1nCe-EgYpT/Pleiadian, Waffle/swisti, Cyberworms/reN, Csongi/Luishero, Cinek/SteP
[21:47] 00 * RandomBot 01PAIRINGS results for MODxRoper2v2 :
[21:47] 00 * RandomBot 01Kinslayer/Impo, vs avirex/Statik, , eXzo/Amour, vs Pr1nCe-EgYpT/Pleiadian, , Cyberworms/reN, vs Cinek/SteP , Tomi/Chelsea, vs Csongi/Luishero, , Waffle/swisti, vs Lukz/Twyrfher,
[21:47] 14<01 StepS14> 01xd
[21:47] 12-01!12- 10VoK 14[01Username@no.address.for.you14] 01has left 00#RopersHeaven 14[0114]
[21:48] 12-01!12- 10coI`eXzo`FAW 14[01~UserName@no.address.for.you14] 01has quit 14[01Remote closed the connection14]
[21:48] 12-01!12- 11Fox`Stefan22 14[10~Fox@no.address.for.you14] 01has joined 00#RopersHeaven
[21:48] 14<01 sX`Impo`nlF14> 01LOOOL
[21:48] 14<01 sX`Impo`nlF14> 01again this shit
[21:48] 14<01 StepS14> 01ok
[21:48] 14<01 sX`Impo`nlF14> 01on 1st roun
[21:48] 14<01 sX`Impo`nlF14> 01d
[21:48] 14<01 Cinek`e2N`14> 01host up
[21:48] 12-01!12- 11coI`eXzo`FAW 14[10~UserName@no.address.for.you14] 01has joined 00#RopersHeaven
[21:48] 14<01 aef`swisti14> 01twy/lukz host up
[21:48] 14<01 StepS14> 01me?
[21:48] 00 * coI`eXzo`FAW 01is hosting a game: Pr1nCe-EgYpT/Pleiadian, wa://proxy.worms2d.info:45831?gameid=4701373&scheme=Pf
[21:48] 00 * MODxRoper2v2 01GL to everyone in first round- WE'LL NEED A LUCKY LOSER!!! SO LOSERS, STAY IN THE CHANNEL <-----------------
[21:48] 14<01 Cinek`e2N`14> 01ye
[21:48] 00 * MODxRoper2v2 01WE'LL NEED A LUCKY LOSER!!! SO LOSERS, STAY IN THE CHANNEL <-----------------
[21:48] 14<01 Fox`Stefan2214> 01˜¨ep˜°e ˜›y ¬©o— a¦yp y¬a˜c©˜o˜a¥ ™še©o
[21:48] 14<01 StepS14> 01okay
[21:48] 14<01 sX`Impo`nlF14> 01lmao thats bullshit


That's all I wanted to say, there was no big difference in the tournaments results between using Pairings.exe than RandomBot, but of course, it's much clear and "healthy" with a public way to make the pairings, so I'm glad that we can have an option like RandomBot (thanks PyroMan).

The idea of this reply is to clean the image that has been made around Chile by unfounded rumors with no facts, it is not an attack to anyone quoted (Dmitry, Impossible, LeTotalKiller, etc). Unfortunately RandomBot wasn't available since the beginning of the WO in order to avoid all this false accusations against Chile and maybe to my clan TaG and clan mates. Actually, my clan mates didn't want to bring "drama" to here, and thats fine, but I thought that I had to speak for all of them, they all just wanna have fun (like Wolfgang said) and play w:a when we can (in our evening/nights).


ps: the logs can be supported by the WO Admins. in case of any doubt.


LeTotalKiller

I admit I wasn't really here to watch your country's tournaments live and based my post on the season's first tourneys results. My bad for assuming you kept that up until now, then, sorry; however, that doesn't clear doubts about first tournaments.

And anyway, there are other elements breaking this season, i.e. not just these suspicious-looking tournaments from early in the season.

Gabriel

Twyrfher explained really well how things have been working for Chilean hosters... I don't think anyone here can add something else.
But hey, seriously.
http://wormolympics.com/players/Gabriel/tournaments
I havent done any complaint about my pairings.
Check out how many chileans I have had to face in my tourneys (funny fact, some of those are hosted by chilean mods (what kind of cheater would like his country to lose?))
Its a luck thing, and s..t happens. Deal with it, Dmitry, LTK and Impo. Impo, I like you but now you're just talking things that you dont know anything about.

I bet, If I hosted tourneys, I would be called a cheater, too.
Mole shopper is the worst thing in the world.

Dmitry

1) there were cases when you are in the first two rounds used RandomBot, in the semi-final - no, it's not that strange?
2) Before using RandomBot, you conducted a series of tournaments without him.

I wrote a review, and I think and I do not impose that view all.