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[theredi]

the US government deliberately and knowingly killed thousands of their own people by putting explosives in the WTC.

You really think they care of it ?

We are just sheeps who bring money to the government. If they can get more money from other people, they won't mind leaving you dead.

All you'll see and found is what they want you to know. But we're far from the truth, believe me.

We're not just talking one or two evil people who would gladly kill 5000 of their fellow man.  We're talking about a whole team of people.

If the US government organised 9/11, how many people do you think it took to plan and execute it?

I would say a fairly large number of people.

A large number of people working in the US government, from the controlled demolition company (for the explosives), the airlines, the military, the fire service, potentially the media.

All these people worked together to plan mass murder on their own people or at the very least cover it up.

I have a bit more faith in humanity than you do.

Now, I'm not saying that governments can't be greedy.  And I'm not saying that governments can't plan conspiracies.  But this kind of complex conspiracy, requiring the cooperation of many many people all confortable with the idea of murdering thousands of their brothers and sisters.

Nahhhhh.

well u have some right in here but it has already happend, so tell my why it would be easier to do something complex like that for some foreign terrorists from another side of the world, than speciallised and well managed goverment workers?? coz i dont find it more probable

[Abnaxus]

Complex ? They control everything, why would it be so hard to give an order ?

We know nothing about what's happenning in our back. We only get supposition.
But the way it is nowadays, we can't believe what they tell us (even if it means conspiracy and all that stuff).

f@#! the world, live in peace & live free !

[NAiL]

-.- dont bother cue Xd

[Cueshark]

Complex ? They control everything, why would it be so hard to give an order ?

We know nothing about what's happenning in our back. We only get supposition.
But the way it is nowadays, we can't believe what they tell us (even if it means conspiracy and all that stuff).

f@#! the world, live in peace & live free !

So complex and clever, controlling everything.  Every piece of information is controlled by the government so we only know what they want us to know.....

But all of this deception is not clever enough for Abnaxus.  Abnaxus sees right through the conspiracy.  It's clever and complex...but not too clever and complex for Abnaxus.  He knows exactly what the government is up to and he will not be fooled! 

Hurrrrah!!!!

Can I get stoned with you one day?

[Abnaxus]

But all of this deception is not clever enough for Abnaxus.  Abnaxus sees right through the conspiracy.  It's clever and complex...but not too clever and complex for Abnaxus.  He knows exactly what the government is up to and he will not be fooled!  

You forgot an important part:

We know nothing about what's happenning in our back. We only get supposition.

By "we", I meant "everybody". Even me.
Am I a god to you ? I don't get why you put me on a dais. But I'll take it as a compliment: thanks.

Can I get stoned with you one day?

Sure you can.

Hurrrrah!!!!

Huuuurrrrraaaaah !!! (For me for sure !)


Seriously: Stir it up. :]

PS: I love the way you act differently with people you know and doesn't know. Even when it is the same person. .)

[Cueshark]

PS: I love the way you act differently with people you know and doesn't know. Even when it is the same person. .)

Why do you assume this?

Even my best friend I'd give a hard time for this kind of sillyness.

In fact I did do.  My best friend used to be a 'truther'.  I tore him a new one.

[Abnaxus]

You didn't understand how government could kill his own people and I told you a possible and easy way.

Is that sillyness ?!

Don't be silly...  

PS: Since we don't know what is wrong or right, you can do what you want. BUT, do never forget the other possibility.
That's what I meant by "the other side of the wall" on a certain thread.

[Rok]

What are you smoking, abnaxus?

[Cueshark]

You didn't understand how government could kill his own people and I told you a possible and easy way.

Is that sillyness ?!

Don't be silly...  

PS: Since we don't know what is wrong or right, you can do what you want. BUT, do never forget the other possibility.
That's what I meant by "the other side of the wall" on a certain thread.

No.  I don't believe that a huge network of people connected to the US government would conspire to slaughter thousands of their own people by laying bombs and hijacking planes.  People individually may be that evil....but the amount of people required for this conspiracy makes it completely implausible.

Forget how it could be possible for a moment and just think of what you're suggesting.

And to this day, not one of these many people involved with the inside job have had a guilt trip and exposed the truth....even anonymously.

I'm sure governments have committed murder on their own people.  I was never arguing that.

I was just arguing 9/11.

I'm not sure you really think this was an inside job.  I think you're talking more generally about governments.

[Abnaxus]

@Rok: Some skunk, but I guess the rolling paper is getting me bad. (Kidding.)

@Cue: About the amount of people: money solves the problem. Plus I'm sure governments get some dudes in many company, so it is plausible.

1) There is too much coincidences (doesn't mean it can't be true).

2) USA needed a reason to attack the arabian countries, so they could get the petrol.
And as someone supposed me, it could be another act of Cold War between USA & Russia. But this is still suppositions.

3) I'm pretty sure there is a high conspiracy in the world between some countries. But I don't really care much of it, since I can't do anything about it, neither to proove it.
1 which has always been there. The second (governments etc) who just copycated it.

[Cueshark]

@Cue: About the amount of people: money solves the problem.

So all of the people involved in this massive conspiracy need to be paid loads of money to kill thousands of people.....and the whole point of this conspiracy in the first place is to make loads of money....

Not exactly good business logic is it?

But then this is George Bush we're talking about I suppose

[Abnaxus]

You don't need to pay a lot of people: A "terrorist" to hijack the plane, and a group to land bombs in the building (and tons of mouth shut).

It's sure I know nothing about it except what I saw (not heard), but there is too much weird things in such cases.

And we all know they don't give us the whole/real story, which means they get something to hide. So why would I believe them ?

Anyway, I can't find the point which makes you feel it's implausible.

[Cueshark]

You don't need to pay a lot of people: A "terrorist" to hijack the plane, and a group to land bombs in the building (and tons of mouth shut).

I usually like to respond off my own back but take a read of this link.

I don't claim this is proof of my point but it follows my thinking and is more of an exhaustive list than I could possibly come up with.

All the people who would have to be involved in order to pull this massive conspiracy off...

In any case.  The conspiracy we're talking about would involve a lot of people.  Far beyond plausibility.

IMO.

[darKz]

A conspiracy with more than 100 people involved would never work. Someone would leak it. IMO.

[HHC]

Not necessarily.

10 to 15 people would be enough to plan and execute it.
I don't hold much truth to US government officials executing the attacks. What seems more probable to me is that intelligence services were aware of the impending attack (they were warned by other countries.. and well, there's the stories of people being told not to go to work.. if these people knew, there's a very reasonable chance the US intelligence also knew). So yeah, you don't need to make 911 happen, you just need to enable it to happen (provided you've got a good agenda to make the sacrifice & risks worthwhile).

Such an operation wouldn't require too many people. Some 10 conspirators at the top wanting it to happen, and some 10 more to execute it (that is, keep the fighters away, mislead the national defence, formulate a story to be brought to the media right after the attacks, etc.). And if you want to, add a few more for additional purposes (destroying WTC7, pentagon??).

Most people involved can be used as pawns. They can be made to do things without being aware of their part in the scheme.
Anyone who watched the movie Valkyrie about the coup of Stauffenberg & co against Hitler knows this.

The list of 'conspirators' back then was very very long: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_members_of_the_20_July_plot And yet, Hitler was caught by complete surprise.
Nevertheless, at the same time, how many people were really needed to execute the operation?

One man to plan it. (Stauffenberg).
One man to get the means (the bombs).
One man to plan the bomb (Stauffenberg again) and one man to assist him.
One radio operator to keep messages from going out of the Wolfsschanze.
A small selection of men ready to take government in their hands.

I don't think more than 25 people played any significant role in the event.

Same thing could have been on 9/11. You really don't need thousands of people.