Ok, for starters, showing hidden frames doesn't count, you don't see that with normal speed frame by frame, that's like sub frame or something??

But the picture that Triad showed, and the game I was asked to check, if you released the drill on THAT frame, it would NOT be a swoosh:

These are the 2 pictures frame by frame in order:

Frame 1:


Frame 2:


There is NO in between! It is NOT a swoosh!

The rope is on the LEFT side as the drill is fired, it's NOT a swoosh!

If you fired a rope instead of a drill, the rope DOES shoot out to the right, but it's still not a genuine swoosh because the rope was extending outwards the wrong direction.

As I said before, it's something PERFECTLY in the middle of an arch/mexi and a swoosh.

It is released at the last point of being an arch/mexi, but connects like a swoosh, so it's like a mexican swoosh.

Quote from: Masta on April 22, 2024, 06:42 PM
That's not how the game works, you are wrong.

What do you mean that's not how the game works you just literally quoted Deadcode saying that's HOW the game works!

I am not debating how it works with the rope never being the same angle at which the next rope will be shot. I'm saying what I've always regarded as a swoosh and it's not what Shtaket did here. The frame that Triad showed, if you release the drill ON THAT FRAME, it is not a swoosh because the last frame of the rope that you saw is actually extending outwards from the middle to the left. If it was a swoosh it would be extending from the middle to the right AS you press the spacebar/enter button.

It is not just the angle the rope shoots that dictates what a swoosh is, it's also the position of the rope as you shoot. It is not a proper swoosh, period.

@Triad & Shtaket - Decided to play for 20 minutes just to tie.

This map is actually A LOT easier than I remember, it's really nice! Could definitely get a PG here I've had 3 and 4 bulls in a row a few times and not even fully in the zone yet.

Quote from: Masta on April 22, 2024, 05:52 PM
Even by your own definition it was a swoosh, and you were wrong to assume that the rope would not go past perfectly vertical.

No, you're wrong.

By my definition, the last frame you see the actual rope is what counts. In the TA that I showed, the last frame of the rope was the same as in Triads picture, I released it on the next frame so there was no rope after that so it wasn't facing the right at all it was diagonally left.

It just so happened that there's a, let's call it "crossover point" where it sort of skips from the left side to the right between frames.

It definitely WAS NOT travelling on the right side of the extension though when actually pressing the button. Yes, the rope was shooting right, but the flagpole itself was still on the left side making it, actually an entirely different move in my opinion.

This is not an arch or mexi nor is it a swoosh, it's something else inbetween, something you can only achieve during ONE perfect frame. Since Shtaket sort of found this, he can name it lol.

If you aren't going to do pure NrBnG, then just leave it how it is. It has to be absolutely no rules, or you are completely missing the point of NrBnG.

I disagree with Sbaffo saying Classic BnG is boring, I still really enjoy it, though the problem is that too many people complain... The point of pushing no rules BnG is to get rid of the stigma surrounding elitist BnG players over time, so that people can feel comfortable playing any style they want.

It's something that's going to take a while to accept, the implementation isn't going to be completely smooth, but it'll be worth it in the long run.

Worst comes to worst... Make NrBnG the standard, and let players play a2b/TUS Classic/BnG Akimbo if they want an alternative. But PO MUST be played with the official scheme.

Quote from: Masta on April 22, 2024, 08:58 AM
I'll say this, you were wrong to advice with certainty based only on an assumption.

I wasn't wrong because there is no "official" way of doing any move on the rope, its basically what people agree on.

I still don't consider that being a legit swoosh in my eyes, but "technically" its a swoosh using another method of measurement that uses the way the rope shoots only instead of both the way the rope shoots and where you shoot it from.

This is like half the requirements of a genuinely real swoosh.

For a swoosh to be a proper swoosh the rope has to be already diagonal the way you're moving on the side you're throwing it.

That's how I measure it and always will measure it.

Triad allows it. But I wouldn't.

Edit. It's also another funny one...

What's the difference between an arch and a mexi? They are both the same move really, but how you measure them is different lol.

Also, some moves even have different names now than they did 25 years ago when I started roping so i go with the old names and ways of measuring...

TA wasn't even possible back then, a swoosh is not a vertical drop lol, f that, that's a limp swoosh.

It's like...

There is a power variant of most moves as well.

Power spike. Power pump. Power outlaw. Power kick. Power swoosh...

Which is when you do it holding the direction AND up for maximum speed without letting go of either button.

So this is like the complete opposite... The limp swoosh, with no power at all, the absolute bare minimum 🤣🤣🤣

Quote from: Masta on April 21, 2024, 09:59 PM
Um actually, when going to the right a swoosh is possible at 90° . ☝️🤓

To be honest, I've never seen it actually written anywhere. My definition of a swoosh though, is when the rope is past the perfect vertical point moving downwards, basically, the image that Triad showed but the worm would be on the other side at the same point.

That's how I've known it for over 20 years personally.

For the Challenge, it's up to the moderator, so up to Triad really.

Quote from: Masta on April 21, 2024, 08:46 PM
Unfortunately that's not how the ninja rope works, there's quirk with the rope making it so it should be released 1 frame earlier than what the rendered frame is showing.

Yeah but at best it would be totally vertical, and still not a swoosh.

If that picture is where he activates drill then it's not a swoosh it's an arch.

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I'll update the description later.

I've had this map for years just forgot I didn't upload it so thought better do it while I remember!

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Yeah at least we have an adult checkbox for maps on TUS. Of course I'm being biased when I say it's creepy it's just an opinion lol... The odd dedication to a girl you have a crush on or whatever is fine, but it's a bit weird to see someone make SO MANY maps of scantily clad women. It becomes more of an obsession than admiration.

It's not a big deal when it's done more privately.

About clan hopping, like I said I just wanted to do a silly rhyme, nothing meant by it! I don't even know why I thought of that.

LMFAO!

The amount of effort walrus puts into slacking is beautiful!

Well, it's a serious joke, it's something that's said as a joke because it's something that shouldn't need to be said to lighten the mood, but it's also deadly serious because most people, especially youngsters and your average woman shouldn't have to see creepy maps like that in the first place.

It's like the map development equivalent of stalking a girl down a dark alley foaming at the mouth.

So... Anubis was a well known clan hopper... So Kradie, you're a clan chopper?  On account of making a new clan every year and then giving it the chop lol.

(Don't look too much into this, just wanted to rhyme clan hopper with something)

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