I see no reason why anyone would wanna play WWP over W:A. Sure, Wormpot is cool and all but the patches make W:A so much better. Also, I feel that the gravity in WWP is *slightly* heavier than W:A. I definitely had a lot of fun times playing WWP though. When it came out, I immediately switched from W:A. I played WWP exclusively for a while, then played both, then went back to W:A and ditched WWP. For a couple of years though WWP was seriously hot! Some of the best matches I've ever had were actually on WWP rather than W:A...

I don't need a fkey customizer for W:A! I just want to be able to customize my WMD fkeys to match as closely as possible to W:A.

Quote from: Kaleu on March 13, 2016, 02:14 PM
What's the profile of this 'BadCereal' guy here in TUS? I can't find it, I wanna  watch some replays of him.
I know Kaya, he often hosts intermediates, it's weird that old and good players like them act like random players on wormnet.

I haven't seen BadCereal on in ages. I was a noob last time I saw him on. All I know is that he was a Brazilian W2 player that came to W:A after it launched. I seem to remember that he was really good, but then again I sucked. The only thing I was decent at back then was BNG, which is ironic since I am terrible at it now. (But at least my rope is still good!)

It is indeed 8-UP WIT DA FUNK. (Ate up with the funk)

Worms, in it's best state, is a fully-customizable sandbox. (Or at least highly customizable.)

I love playing new schemes and just playing for fun. I also like getting serious sometimes and playing roper / rr or whatever, but yeah... W:A may never 'die' per se, but it's definitely gone downhill. Take away bots and snoopers from AG and what do you have? :/

Quote from: Tomtysti on April 23, 2016, 06:23 PM
Always funny to see people being so hopeful about new Worms games when they've f@#!ed us over so many times, and every time harder than the previous time. I'm guilty of it too. It pains me so to see such an incredible game format being shat all over.

Unfortunately they make the games with the two main ideas in their head being "lol banana bomb" and "how to make money with the smallest amount of work". They don't care about making a Worms game for hardcore wormers. They aim it for kids and casual gamers.

Of course they promise all kinds of stuff and say they will listen to the community, they've always claimed that, but every goddamn time the games are complete failures with maybe a couple of nice new ideas and features.

This time it sure seems they're moving to a better direction, but I bet it will be seriously lacking in many areas and abandoned by Team17 really soon after launch.

@skunk3:

Jonno said on the Steam forums

Quote"Just been playing around on my a build I have access to.

You will be able to redefine F-keys to weapon lines on PC. "

I really, really doubt it will be "fully customizable", but it's a step forward in either case.

How you so sure about the crossplay feature? Danny said:

QuoteCrossplay between PC and PS4 won't be supported at launch, but it's something we can look into in the future

This to me sounds like there's about 1% chance of it happening. Crossplay would be a mess anyway, even though it would help with the community size.

What did you think I meant by "fully customizable?" Macros? Or the order in which pressing an fkey will bring up a weapon or utility? People have expressed a desire for fully customizable fkeys, so if it is already possible to assign weapon lines to fkeys, I doubt that making it FULLY customizable will be beyond the scope of possibility. Team17 is aware that we want these features.

As far as the crossplay goes, crossplay is scheduled to be a feature at launch for PC, Mac, (possibly Linux), and Xbox One. W.M.D. isn't scheduled to be released for PS4 until around Q4 this year... so when W.M.D. is released for every other platform, it won't be out for PS4 for several months later. I see no reason why they would make it crossplay compatible with every format EXCEPT FOR PS4. That just doesn't make any sense.

I fully understand why one would be skeptical regarding any new Worms game. However, I don't agree with you about the series getting consistently worse, nor do I think that Team17 doesn't care. W.M.D. is proof that they care and listen to the fans. Fans wanted something as close to W:A as possible, and that is what they are attempting to deliver. There's a lot of things about the newer Worms games that pisses me off, but they're not completely worthless games by any stretch of the imagination. The problem is mainly threefold:

1. The Team17 that created games like W:A and WWP is largely non-existent anymore. It's basically all new people trying to innovate with each title instead of just sticking with what works and expanding on it.
2. The games have been designed from the ground up as multi-format games, meaning they are essentially console games even if you own them for PC. This in and of itself is the primary reason why the newer games haven't been able to live up to W:A. (no global chat lobby, no text chat for consoles, little customization, etc...)
3. The community for all of the newer Worms games is extremely divided due to a lack of cross play support, so people lose interest and it becomes hard to find matches/players.

The newer games haven't been "failures." The only reason you think this way is because you are comparing them to W:A and lamenting what isn't there instead of appreciating them on their own without comparing them to previous titles.

Team17 has never expressed so much commitment to making a Worms game for the old school fans. They've never been as receptive to feedback and criticism. I truly, genuinely feel that they are trying, but W.M.D. isn't going to be perfect. While I do like the fact that we will have cross-platform play, it leaves console gamers at a huge disadvantage. Console players rarely have keyboards hooked up, so they won't be text chatting, only voice chat. This means that they aren't going to be vocal in games or in the global chat lobby. Also, if the rope truly does live up to the W:A rope (or close), there's no way in hell that they are going to keep up with someone playing w/ a keyboard.

I've had a bunch of private chats with Team17 staff about this game and they legitimately sound passionate about making this game excellent. I choose to remain optimistic. I'm going to buy the game regardless just to show my support. I know that some W:A purists are going to hate the game no matter what and nitpick it to death. What I've found about the newer Worms games is that even if I hated them at launch, I eventually grew to love them... even Worms Reloaded, which is probably the worst game of the series IMO. Even Reloaded is still a fun game. You just gotta evaluate each game on its own merits instead of hoping for a W:A clone.

I have taken the time to personally address each and every flaw of the new games vs. W:A with the devs and explained why we need this or that change/feature/option. If they do f@#! up and leave out something crucial, it definitely isn't because they weren't aware of it.

If W.M.D. turns out great, you can thank me and the other handful of people who harass Team17 daily.

Quote from: Kradie on April 23, 2016, 06:09 PM
They usually lurk on some irc channel and plan games. They chat there, arrange their games privately, and host them. Rest of the community are beneath their level

That's so boring. With a game as old as W:A, we shouldn't be advocating exclusivity. I know that there's always going to be a core group of players as long as servers are up, but that kinda illustrates why I'm not as in love with W:A as I used to be. I'm also tired of people who don't play anything but ranked games. Leagues have been around for ages, but in a way I hate them. W:A was far more fun when AG was loaded with people all having a good time and playing whatever instead of spamming for league matches and taking everything so seriously. Truth be told, the WormNET experience is kinda boring these days. There's a handful of people who still play who make it fun, but overall the fun factor has diminished significantly IMHO. I love the game and always will, but it just doesn't have that addictiveness anymore... and that's not because the game isn't great, it's because the community has gotten worse.

Quote from: WTF-8 on April 23, 2016, 05:28 PM

Quote from: skunk3 on April 23, 2016, 03:10 PM10. It is a possibility that they will allow players to add bot teams for online multiplayer.

"a possibility"
meh...

Quote from: skunk3 on April 23, 2016, 03:10 PM13. Only one player per computer/system for online matches... which I don't see as a huge issue anyway since most people who add 2 teams are lying anyway.

Putting such a restriction is... a bad idea, to say the least.
Point 1: In W:A, teams' names in lobby share their color with teams' owner's nickname, which makes this tactic quite obvious, and therefore ineffective.
Point 2: In case of 1v1ing schemes which require a high number of worms per alliance, adding more teams per player is what people usually do. Take Drown Syndrome as an example.
Maybe you could tell T17 to change their minds?


.:Edit:.

Quote from: skunk3 on April 23, 2016, 04:12 PMI should record and upload some BG gameplay footage sometime just so I can show you guys how cheap these newer players are.

even cheaper than these 2?
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What the devs said about being able to add bots to online matches is that if there's enough community outreach for that option, they'd consider it. Judging by the reactions on the Steam forums, it is a highly desired feature. A lot of people want that option, myself included.

Can you not change the color of a second team hosted from the same PC? It's been so long since I've tried that I literally can't remember. For some reason I was thinking that you could do that.

How many schemes actually require more than 8 worms per team? (Wtf is drown syndrome? lol)

I don't see an issue with Team17 capping the number of teams per device at one for online play. Sure, I'd like to see the OPTION, but I don't really care since nobody I know IRL gives a flying f@#! about Worms.

I don't understand why there are people who are active on the TUS forums, yet don't play Worms.

wtf? lol

I see lots of familiar names on here posting yet I haven't seen them in AG in ages. What gives?

Could someone concisely explain to me why one would WANT a reset? Bear in mind that I have nothing to do with TUS and haven't played a ranked match in years. I guess I just don't understand why anyone would want a reset unless something is currently broken... ?

I know that I'd personally donate at least $100 if that would in any way help out with us getting a substantial W:A update. At this point I have pretty much given up all hope of it ever happening. I would love to be proven wrong though. I don't play league / clan games anymore, so the disconnection issue isn't really an issue for me. Besides, I hardly ever see people drop these days now that it's no longer 1999 and we aren't on dial-up.

For the meantime I will be eagerly looking forward to Worms W.M.D. but I would plop down some serious cash for a huge W:A update. $500 easily.

It was such a trip reading through this thread. It's kinda sad though. Countless hours spent playing with people and really getting to know them, only for them to move on and lose touch. There are some names in this thread that I had completely forgotten about. I dunno how anyone could be super active in a game and then just 'retire.' Even though I take breaks from W:A sometimes, I could never just stop playing completely. I wish we had the contact info for all of these older players so we could get them back. Modern games blow, and W:A these days just isn't nearly as fun as it used to be. It's dull. 99% of the funny/interesting/rad people are gone. I'd love to see weirdo like MrE, Goaty, SilentMime, erod, and Fizix trolling the f@#! out of people. I wish there were more uptight buttholes like CheechLizard to harass. I absolutely hate the fact that almost everyone I knew is gone.

I wanna know where this data came from. I won BNG league sometime back in 2000.

Everyone is going to have different opinions on who is/was best at what, depending upon their own relative skill level at the time, the skill level of the person they are talking about, the era in which this familiarity was bred, other players who were also active at the time, etc. Some people have gotten better or worse with time.

Quote from: TheMadCharles on April 23, 2016, 04:25 PM
As Worms WMD is still in development, keep in mind, that everything can happen. Stuff may be added, removed or edited as the time goes, but for what it is right now, it's going in the right direction so far.

Quote from: TheWalrus on April 23, 2016, 03:38 PM

Quote from: skunk3 on April 23, 2016, 03:10 PM
I have been in direct communication with Team17 staff for quite some time now.

Sorry about that

Going off topic there...

Sorry about that, we, the Worms Guild, have indeed the Community Manager of Team17 actively respond to us. If you don't believe us, visit our FB group.

Danny and Jonno are very communicative indeed. Much better than that Beth girl who used to do community management for Team17. I've flooded both Danny and Jonno with questions and suggestions and they've been superb when it comes to responding and giving all of the info they can.

The most exciting part about WMD is that there's still so much more info they haven't released yet... including a f@#!ing release date. :|

I for one don't care when they release it so long as when they DO release it, it is working properly. I've been there on day one of Reloaded, Revolution, and Clan Wars. Buggy as hell and literally impossible to pay for weeks. The past launches have been abysmal. When WMD comes out I would love to see it working properly from the start because I'm getting really, really tired of paying game developers to beta test their products until they finally get shit straight.