Game #238599, reported by TheWalrus

Lupastic · October 04, 2023, 02:02 PM

ah the long awaited match for me $:-\$ $:-\$

wp both and congrats wally

I jerked off to these rounds
nice comeback by Wally in round 2, but still, that round was won by Adnan. so the final score should be 2:1
rope racing rules (big rr rule) goes for parachute race as well afaik, Adny started that round, and he reached finish first with 9 sec remaining in his last turn. next turn Wally reached finish at 1 sec, so that's clearly Adny's win

Lancelot · October 04, 2023, 02:28 PM

ye, 2:1, indeed

TheWalrus · October 04, 2023, 02:37 PM

Quote from: Lupastic on October 04, 2023, 02:02 PM
ah the long awaited match for me $:-\$ $:-\$
wp both and congrats wally I jerked off to these rounds
nice comeback by Wally in round 2, but still, that round was won by Adnan. so the final score should be 2:1
rope racing rules (big rr rule) goes for parachute race as well afaik, Adny started that round, and he reached finish first with 9 sec remaining in his last turn. next turn Wally reached finish at 1 sec, so that's clearly Adny's win

Where is that is the scheme rules? I must need glasses because it's not there. Did you make up this rule? It's probably one that should be part of the tus rules for parachute but isn't

Lancelot · October 04, 2023, 02:49 PM

Quote from: TheWalrus on October 04, 2023, 02:37 PM
Where is that is the scheme rules? I must need glasses because it's not there. Did you make up this rule? It's probably one that should be part of the tus rules for parachute but isn't

In fact, this league scheme has no rules, so this is both my fault and that of the one who created this scheme, as well as the one who added this scheme to the list of league schemes

MI, please, fix the problem regarding the league schemes, please

Lupastic · October 04, 2023, 03:03 PM

isn't it obvious that since its a race scheme last seconds of the turn matter, like for every other race based scheme..?

same goes for bungee, boom race.. at least this is how I played my TFL games with Hurz in the past. in boom and parachute race it can often occur that 2 players finish the same turn. it would make less sense that those rounds are draw, why not count the last seconds as in rope races? this is not stated in TFL parachute race scheme, you're right in that. but since it was updated 12 years ago, what can we expect?

at least for me, its kinda obvious that same finishing rules apply as in rope races

Lancelot · October 04, 2023, 03:17 PM

Including RaceStuff in any race is also obvious, but some don't do it.

However, it is still necessary to describe each scheme so that players, including those who have not played the scheme, understand how to play

I promise to fix this in the next cup if the moderators don't hear my request

TheWalrus · October 04, 2023, 06:21 PM

Quote from: Lupastic on October 04, 2023, 03:03 PM
isn't it obvious that since its a race scheme last seconds of the turn matter, like for every other race based scheme..? same goes for bungee, boom race.. at least this is how I played my TFL games with Hurz in the past. in boom and parachute race it can often occur that 2 players finish the same turn. it would make less sense that those rounds are draw, why not count the last seconds as in rope races? this is not stated in TFL parachute race scheme, you're right in that. but since it was updated 12 years ago, what can we expect? at least for me, its kinda obvious that same finishing rules apply as in rope races

boom race has been played with ties in many cups, playoffs, and league games over many years, why would I assume para is any different? I won a boomrace cup where I had multiple ties and replay games, I've never heard of time turns being timed, I'm not disagreeing with you as to it making sense, I'm just saying it's unclear, tbh I don't know how para works and Adnan and I both thought it was a draw so maybe it's only clear to you because you play that way?

I mean, link me where there is a discussion post on tus where it was changed to seconds vs turns, I remember a topic on tus where we specifically voted on this and voted to keep turn finishes and also voted against milliseconds in ttrr.

TheKomodo · October 04, 2023, 07:55 PM

Quote from: TheWalrus on October 04, 2023, 06:21 PMI remember a topic on tus where we specifically voted on this and voted to keep turn finishes and also voted against milliseconds in ttrr.

More evidence of people in WA making stupid brainless decisions lol.

Yay! As far as the universe is concerned, someone is a winner and a loser, we should be reflecting that and taking it seriously with all the means at our disposal, anything else is embarassingly stupid.

TheWalrus · October 04, 2023, 09:31 PM

Quote from: TheKomodo on October 04, 2023, 07:55 PM
More evidence of people in WA making stupid brainless decisions lol.

Yay! As far as the universe is concerned, someone is a winner and a loser, we should be reflecting that and taking it seriously with all the means at our disposal, anything else is embarassingly stupid.

Yeah I'm not against this but afaik nothing has actually happened to give clarification. Sometimes players just play variants, sensei, jago, and I played a ton of 1v1v1 boomraces that were reported, even though that isn't part of tus rules. Id like some concrete response from senator, mi, ect about how we are doing these schemes. I'm definitely ok with going to seconds, but there needs to be a framework. Is it ties on these schemes? Is it by the second like ttrr and replay? Is it by the millisecond? Having it ambiguous is just bad, we had some discussions about this but a lot of the time no conclusions are reached.

Lupastic · October 05, 2023, 12:41 AM

well if you had really come to an agreement in the past that you would play these races with those rules as default, then I have nothing to say, fair enough

I tried to search up these forum threads what you were talking about wally about boom/bungee/para races with finishing rules and draws, can you link?

Albino · October 05, 2023, 10:41 AM

Quote from: Lupastic on October 04, 2023, 02:02 PM
ah the long awaited match for me $:-\$ $:-\$
wp both and congrats wally I jerked off to these rounds
nice comeback by Wally in round 2, but still, that round was won by Adnan. so the final score should be 2:1
rope racing rules (big rr rule) goes for parachute race as well afaik, Adny started that round, and he reached finish first with 9 sec remaining in his last turn. next turn Wally reached finish at 1 sec, so that's clearly Adny's win

dude, rr, ttrr and big rr is time based racing schemes where you determine who win the game. every second matters in those schemes. but chute race, bungee race, battle race and boom race is turn based racing schemes when it comes to calculate winning condition. and you can't invent rules in the middle of an event. why don't you just open a thread on forums to discuss those things instead of bitching there?

Lupastic · October 05, 2023, 05:16 PM

Quote from: Albino on October 05, 2023, 10:41 AM
dude, rr, ttrr and big rr is time based racing schemes where you determine who win the game. every second matters in those schemes. but chute race, bungee race, battle race and boom race is turn based racing schemes when it comes to calculate winning condition. and you can't invent rules in the middle of an event. why don't you just open a thread on forums to discuss those things instead of bitching there?

I'm pretty sure I have never seen you playing any of those schemes above, so you would have the least idea of how they work to be honest little man

I would still like to read those forum posts/threads where the players who actually know how they work, discuss that the remaining seconds don't matter? cuz all the guys whom I played racing schemes with in TFL, I'm pretty sure we always checked our finishes. as I mentioned Hurz for example.. I can't believe that after an hour long of bungee race or battle race (some maps are terribly long there), and the 2 players reach finish after each other, they'd say its a draw and the game was for nothing?

TheWalrus · October 05, 2023, 05:32 PM

Quote from: Lupastic on October 05, 2023, 05:16 PM
I'm pretty sure I have never seen you playing any of those schemes above, so you would have the least idea of how they work to be honest little man

I would still like to read those forum posts/threads where the players who actually know how they work, discuss that the remaining seconds don't matter? cuz all the guys whom I played racing schemes with in TFL, I'm pretty sure we always checked our finishes. as I mentioned Hurz for example.. I can't believe that after an hour long of bungee race or battle race (some maps are terribly long there), and the 2 players reach finish after each other, they'd say its a draw and the game was for nothing?

Bungee race possibly, but battle race seconds would be absolutely broken. The only schemes that should even consider having seconds are where worms have no interaction with each other; i.e. /boom. Battlerace having finish time in seconds would be so so dumb, the person going first in battlerace always has a disadvantage, as they have to pass through the objects on map like mines first. Doing seconds in battlerace would further increase the advantage for the player that starts second, BR is already an unbalanced scheme with a lot of luck factor as is.

TheKomodo · October 05, 2023, 05:58 PM

Quote from: Lupastic on October 05, 2023, 05:16 PM
little man

He is big man to you 🤣

Albino · October 05, 2023, 07:30 PM

lol, this guy have no idea how the racing schemes evolved. all those turn based racing schemes invented in early 00's (at max 2003). and the only scheme closer to ttrr/big rr was the original rr which was "turn based" racing scheme. back in days there was no option to set infinite turn time in game settings(came in 06 afair).
check this out !! (read especially the turn based section) >>> https://worms2d.info/Rope_Race#Time-trial_Rope_Race
and just because you never seen me playing those schemes does not make me unaware of those schemes. i played many times all of those schemes when i was semi-noob(except big rr).

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