Game #238599, reported by TheWalrus - Page 2

Lancelot · October 05, 2023, 07:54 PM

Frankly, I'm not very knowledgeable about these things, so I relied on the rules of the circuit to be stated (in fact, half of the league circuits don't have much description of how to play and other things), and was shocked when players play the league on game experience.

But what about a beginner? What about the player who had to play scheme that he had not played until that moment, but he had to play because the opponent chose scheme. Of course, the player will look for information, rules, examples of the game. But often he will not find this where this information is supposed to be. A player who doesn't know scheme - will he rely on what his opponent tells him about scheme rules etc?

In fact, this is an important aspect, and in some things I myself would like to know how to best reason or determine the winner, but I don't know where I could read or look up on this topic.

These things need to be updated, preferably by players who understand them, and then published where necessary.

I'm ready to help with this, but does anyone want to update anything on TUS?

Sometimes I doubt it.

TheWalrus · October 05, 2023, 08:02 PM

Quote from: Lancelot on October 05, 2023, 07:54 PM
Frankly, I'm not very knowledgeable about these things, so I relied on the rules of the circuit to be stated (in fact, half of the league circuits don't have much description of how to play and other things), and was shocked when players play the league on game experience.

But what about a beginner? What about the player who had to play scheme that he had not played until that moment, but he had to play because the opponent chose scheme. Of course, the player will look for information, rules, examples of the game. But often he will not find this where this information is supposed to be. A player who doesn't know scheme - will he rely on what his opponent tells him about scheme rules etc?

In fact, this is an important aspect, and in some things I myself would like to know how to best reason or determine the winner, but I don't know where I could read or look up on this topic.

These things need to be updated, preferably by players who understand them, and then published where necessary.

I'm ready to help with this, but does anyone want to update anything on TUS?

Sometimes I doubt it.

Typically things get brought up, talked about changing, don't get changed, it is the TUS way.

Also my job and many companies I work at are like this.

I agree though scheme descriptions need updated for sure, I honestly tried to look for the discussion I mentioned about schemes timed with seconds/miliseconds and couldn't find it. It is probably discussed on multiple pages on a game thread like this one. Adnan and I, both been playing for 10 years, thought the rules were definitely a draw in this game. There is nothing to indicate that it wouldn't be a draw. People probably play other ways as well, and probably no one noticed or watched, this game is only different because Lupa plays some other way and commented on it.

Lupastic · October 05, 2023, 10:51 PM

Quote from: TheWalrus on October 05, 2023, 08:02 PM
Typically things get brought up, talked about changing, don't get changed, it is the TUS way.

People probably play other ways as well, and probably no one noticed or watched, this game is only different because Lupa plays some other way and commented on it.

hahaaa true sorry ; D while we ourselves have played some TFL race schemes before wally, we never got to make a draw situation, and in most of my games I haven't either in the past. with the exception - I can recall maybe 1 or 2 games with Hurz (for sure) and Jago (maybeee) where we tied with boom race and talked about checking last seconds. for this reason, I was thinking this is da waeh, it's not something that I came up randomly with, as you have said here multiple times already.

I was playing with others, and they agreed to count it like this. the core of the problem is that TFL schemes are still not updated. when I played bungee race with abegod the worms still don't have f@#!ing collision, and you can block tight gaps so your opponent can enter the actual bungee zone to do the swing.. changing the bungee race scheme to the latest 3.8 version and worms having collision would take like 5-6 clicks to update but f@#! it.. :Q and then there is this albino random guy who out of nowhere takes the whole thing off the railway and starts talking about something else out of topic..

my understanding is, admins (the ones who left and the ones who are still here) played allround (and classic) league only so they completely ignored what was going on with TFL, they don't know, nor they want to have any business with whats going on with them, how the schemes are edited. simply cuz they dunno how to play them, or they say that only noobs play TFL (I 150% disagree with this, some people just can't seem to break out of the allround league bubble, and they are totally noob to play with the other ~50 schemes that are actually in the game in the past 10 years, in and outside of free league

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so, if the schemes hasnt got updated in the past 12 years, they won't be updated now..

it's better that Lancelot would come up with an idea, since the cup is his.

Lancelot · October 06, 2023, 10:51 AM

As I already said, the cup has already been created and I have no right to change the conditions of the game, regardless of the rules of the cup or the scheme. In this case, I can only hope for the experience of the players and the agreement of both players regarding winning in racing schemes (those where the rules are not specified).

I'll really need to look somewhere or find someone who can tell me more about the rules for some schemes.

Usually, the decision to determine the winner of the game must be reasoned. And the arguments must be fixed by rules, which must be indicated somewhere. If there are no rules, then the moderator or anyone else cannot argue their point of view.

As soon as I can find time for this, I will definitely start looking.

Albino · October 06, 2023, 03:21 PM

yea, i'm the irrelevant guy to this cup but you are the one who jumped here and made false statements. if you want to play those schemes the way you like, fine no one force you to play the other way. i don't care lol. and yet you are too stubborn and thick-headed, so your brain can't absorb the knowledge and simple facts.

Senator · October 07, 2023, 01:41 PM

Quote from: Lupastic on October 05, 2023, 10:51 PM
my understanding is, admins (the ones who left and the ones who are still here) played allround (and classic) league only so they completely ignored what was going on with TFL, they don't know, nor they want to have any business with whats going on with them, how the schemes are edited.

That's true from my part. I only cared about updating the Classic/Allround league schemes. TUS doesn't have a league mod dedicated to Free league schemes.

Quote from: Lancelot on October 05, 2023, 07:54 PM
These things need to be updated, preferably by players who understand them, and then published where necessary.

I'm ready to help with this, but does anyone want to update anything on TUS?

We can do the updates together. Someone just needs to open a thread and get the process going. Post a list of schemes and put the suggested scheme file and rules/description under each scheme.

Lancelot · October 07, 2023, 03:13 PM

Most of the schemes don't need to be updated, I think.

all that needs to be done is to make a description of all league schemes so that in the future players will not have questions related to the rules.

But the thing is that I thought that almost all racing schemes work on the principle of rope race rules, where the remaining time until the end of the turn is calculated.

Now I'm not sure about this. We need someone who can tell us how to play this or that scheme.

I can only help with some of the things I know.

Senator · October 07, 2023, 04:50 PM

Quote from: Lancelot on October 07, 2023, 03:13 PM
But the thing is that I thought that almost all racing schemes work on the principle of rope race rules, where the remaining time until the end of the turn is calculated.

In Big RR the remaining turn time wasn't a tie-breaker until the scheme was moved to the Allround league and we changed the rules. I think TTRR was the only racing scheme where seconds mattered.

TheWalrus · October 07, 2023, 05:13 PM

Quote from: Senator on October 07, 2023, 04:50 PM
In Big RR the remaining turn time wasn't a tie-breaker until the scheme was moved to the Allround league and we changed the rules. I think TTRR was the only racing scheme where seconds mattered.

most of the time it has been a league scheme it was played with ties, yeah, i remember a lot of them playing big rr

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