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Game #238722, reported by TheWalrus, Viewed 1461 Time(s)

Speed Cup #4 Hysteria
Knockout, Round 1
October 10, 2023, 09:03 PM
Winner
TheWalrus
United States MV S17 a2a
Gained 5 points
Loser
Lancelot
Ukraine RB pH ae
Lost 5 points
  

Game Rate
Not rated yet
Players history
4 - 0
Information Cup name: : #1218: Speed Cup #4 Hysteria
Cup scheme(s):
+LG

Game Result: 2:0
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Game Chat(s)
[thewalrus] lol
[`RB`Lancelot`pH] hf
[thewalrus] did a struggle
[`RB`Lancelot`pH] xD
[`RB`Lancelot`pH] phew
[thewalrus] fire fire fire
[`RB`Lancelot`pH] n grave
[thewalrus] nasty position
[thewalrus] 1 min all my worms are dead
[`RB`Lancelot`pH] not good y
[`RB`Lancelot`pH] but you have telecow
[thewalrus] id rather have worms
[thewalrus] !
[`RB`Lancelot`pH] that's why I don't play league, I hate telecows
[thewalrus] ns
[thewalrus] this is a great example of why you need telecow
[thewalrus] lose 3 worms before its even their turn
[thewalrus] select steria
[thewalrus] fixes some problems
[thewalrus] but not others
[thewalrus] 2
[thewalrus] 1
[thewalrus] nt
[thewalrus] gg
[`RB`Lancelot`pH] nah
[`RB`Lancelot`pH] i hate telecows
[`RB`Lancelot`pH] xd

[`RB`Lancelot`pH] I don't care if I win or not
[thewalrus] id like you to care
[thewalrus] nice punch
[thewalrus] i like good competition
[thewalrus] ooo
[thewalrus] close
[thewalrus] oopos
[thewalrus] wrong way
[thewalrus] oops
[thewalrus] oh
[thewalrus] nice pile lancy
[thewalrus] hit it
[thewalrus] this wheel cup has been best cup in awhile
[thewalrus] im glad you hosted it
[thewalrus] ns
[thewalrus] gg

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Offline TheKomodo

Re: Game #238722, reported by TheWalrus
« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2023, 03:14 PM »
I like hysteria, but in the format that is played in public games - without a telecow, and also when I played in the group round

Please answer this question:

Why do you like Hysteria? What is it about the scheme that you enjoy?

Telecow is a sneaky move that has no justification.
And only the player himself chooses whether to do so or not.
I will never play using telecow. This is a sneaky move.

How is it a sneaky move?

Sorry if this comes across as rude, this is a genuine question... Do you even know what the word "sneaky" means??

It appears to me that you don't understand what that means... Because that word implies stealth/deceit! Which is ridiculous... We are not using invisibility here or even hiding the fact that we pile.

You are aware it can happen, and when it happens it's obvious what the intention is. So using the word sneaky is ridiculous not to mention literally wrong.

In fact, everybody KNOWS, or SHOULD know and should accept that piling/sacrificing worms is a FUNDAMENTAL part of the entire Worms franchise, let alone Worms Armageddon.

Now, back to your "sneaky" comment... How is it stealth, or deceitful when you know it is a fundamental part of the game and players use this strategy on a daily basis??

I compare this level of ignorance to kicking a lion in the balls and beiung surprised when it attacks you and rips your face off!

If piling was illegal, this entire game would be pointlessly unbalanced for pretty much all strategical battle schemes that have multiple worms.

Why don't you complain about piling in Intermediate, Kaos, Team17, Elite etc? It serves the exact same purpose!

So not only is it a ridiculous notion to hate Hysteria because of piling, you're singling out one individual scheme for your own selfish and delusional desires.

Even if many will be quitters, it is easier to understand than when they cheat in cups

Who is cheating in Cups?



But, I understand the people that complain about the Teleporting/jet packing tactic. If the idea is to play Hysteria with full focus on artillery, that trick is not so interesting for gameplay.

Surely you mean piling tactic? As even those who like playing without piling still use teleport and jetpacks.

Hysteria is an artillery/strategy hybrid. It is not 100% artillery. If you want 100% artillery, then play BnG and stop moaning about something which has been designed perfectly just because you get annoyed at being piled and cannot accept that fundamental strategy of the entire franchise and pretty much all turned based gaming like this.

Also, when I say "you", that implies everyone who feels that way about piling.

Next you're going to tell me that sacrificing pawns in Chess is lame... Are you going to call Magnus Carlsen a cow???


Worm rotation manipulation will always be an issue for some people. Accept this.

It's one thing to not like it, I couldn't care less if people don't like it, that's a personal choice.

It's when they blatently lie and say things which are literally not true that bothers me.

Calling it "cheating", "sneaky", stuff like that, it's riduculous and those people need to be put in their place.

Offline Kradie

Re: Game #238722, reported by TheWalrus
« Reply #16 on: October 11, 2023, 03:30 PM »
I wonder if this discussion could ever had happened if I didn't make this cup at all. What could we all be doing Instead? Maybe we could have effected someone's life profoundly. WHO KNOWS? :D
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Offline Lancelot

Re: Game #238722, reported by TheWalrus
« Reply #17 on: October 11, 2023, 03:40 PM »
Please answer this question:

Why do you like Hysteria? What is it about the scheme that you enjoy?

How is it a sneaky move?

Sorry if this comes across as rude, this is a genuine question... Do you even know what the word "sneaky" means??

It appears to me that you don't understand what that means... Because that word implies stealth/deceit! Which is ridiculous... We are not using invisibility here or even hiding the fact that we pile.

You are aware it can happen, and when it happens it's obvious what the intention is. So using the word sneaky is ridiculous not to mention literally wrong.

In fact, everybody KNOWS, or SHOULD know and should accept that piling/sacrificing worms is a FUNDAMENTAL part of the entire Worms franchise, let alone Worms Armageddon.

Now, back to your "sneaky" comment... How is it stealth, or deceitful when you know it is a fundamental part of the game and players use this strategy on a daily basis??

I compare this level of ignorance to kicking a lion in the balls and beiung surprised when it attacks you and rips your face off!

If piling was illegal, this entire game would be pointlessly unbalanced for pretty much all strategical battle schemes that have multiple worms.

Why don't you complain about piling in Intermediate, Kaos, Team17, Elite etc? It serves the exact same purpose!

So not only is it a ridiculous notion to hate Hysteria because of piling, you're singling out one individual scheme for your own selfish and delusional desires.

Who is cheating in Cups?



Surely you mean piling tactic? As even those who like playing without piling still use teleport and jetpacks.

Hysteria is an artillery/strategy hybrid. It is not 100% artillery. If you want 100% artillery, then play BnG and stop moaning about something which has been designed perfectly just because you get annoyed at being piled and cannot accept that fundamental strategy of the entire franchise and pretty much all turned based gaming like this.

Also, when I say "you", that implies everyone who feels that way about piling.

Next you're going to tell me that sacrificing pawns in Chess is lame... Are you going to call Magnus Carlsen a cow???


It's one thing to not like it, I couldn't care less if people don't like it, that's a personal choice.

It's when they blatently lie and say things which are literally not true that bothers me.

Calling it "cheating", "sneaky", stuff like that, it's riduculous and those people need to be put in their place.

I wonder how you want to put me in my place?) Lol.

It's a pity that the English language is poor enough for me to be able to describe the situation more specifically, sorry.

I felt like I should be arguing here? although I only expressed my point of view, and it will remain unchanged.

For me, there is one type of hysteria that is played on TUS, with telecows; and another type of hysteria played on the Wormnet by in public host (there are very few of them, unfortunately).

When I played in the cup, in the group stage, I enjoyed the game. It doesn't matter who wins or loses. The players thought that telecow was a dirty trick and did not use it. As a result, we got a lot of fun from the game, I think.

Each player decides for himself whether to use telecow or not.
But apparently for all the nerds "pro-players" here it is more important to get a pixelated picture, points and some kind of rating (which will actually mean nothing as soon as the site disappears) than to get fun from the game.

If you want me to defend my opinion, I don’t need to do that. I do not see the point. If my opinion contradicts the opinion of the majority, this does not mean that it is incorrect.

I won't write any more in this thread. If you try to take this as a personal insult, I won't mind.
In this case, it will be enough for you to refuse to help me with the cup so that I can not waste time and start the playoffs. I would like to leave TUS as soon as possible.
   

Offline Lancelot

Re: Game #238722, reported by TheWalrus
« Reply #18 on: October 11, 2023, 03:43 PM »
I wonder if this discussion could ever had happened if I didn't make this cup at all. What could we all be doing Instead? Maybe we could have effected someone's life profoundly. WHO KNOWS? :D

It seems to me that I offended someone, but in reality this is far from the case  :D

I just said my opinion about the scheme.
Hysteria for me is mostly shooting, but not strategy. At TUS they seriously think differently.

That's why it's easier for me to disappear from here than to continue pointlessly writing something here, lol
   


Offline Kradie

Re: Game #238722, reported by TheWalrus
« Reply #20 on: October 11, 2023, 03:57 PM »
It seems to me that I offended someone, but in reality this is far from the case  :D

I just said my opinion about the scheme.
Hysteria for me is mostly shooting, but not strategy. At TUS they seriously think differently.

That's why it's easier for me to disappear from here than to continue pointlessly writing something here, lol
I was only trying to spark some enigma and interest around time travel and ''what ifs''.. It was off topic but that was the point :)

https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/leagues-general/remove-hysteria-9106/
https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/leagues-general/hysteria-in-the-classic-league-14358/
https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/leagues-general/ban-hysteria-from-default-league-19389/
https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/leagues-general/delete-hysteria-from-classic-league-23735/
https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/leagues-general/should-hysteria-be-moved-to-the-free-league-30491/

enjoy ;D
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Offline TheWalrus

Re: Game #238722, reported by TheWalrus
« Reply #21 on: October 11, 2023, 05:53 PM »
So to summarize, don't use strategy in turn based strategy, or else it's a dirty trick.  It's amazing how we get this conversation or topic every 6mo or so.  If you are getting too victimized by telecow, it means your strategy sucks.  Complaining and blaming others because you made a tactical mistake is hilarious. 

I'm sure most people get angry about telecow - you do some good moves, kill some worms, then one worm starts teleporting on your worms and mowing them down one by one.  I did too - until I realized there was a way I could fight it with strategy.

But then there is nothing better than a good old ad hominem "honor" appeal.  I must not have enough integrity or honor to understand how you should play no rules schemes.

Offline TheKomodo

Re: Game #238722, reported by TheWalrus
« Reply #22 on: October 11, 2023, 05:53 PM »
I wonder how you want to put me in my place?) Lol.

It isn't aimed at you alone, however everyone who keeps making false statements that live outside reality.

I will keep saying this to you until you get it drilled into your head:

There is NO SUCH THING as "Telecow" in Hysteria as a base scheme, the official scheme.

This is a HOUSE RULE that exists ONLY for those who wish to play this in funners, or Cups that state house rules specifically.

If you host a Hysteria online, and someone joins, and then piles you. IT IS NOT A COW because you did not mention that the match will have rules.

A cow is when a player BREAKS THE RULES! Since Hysteria HAS NO RULES - It is therefore impossible to cow in Hysteria!

Hysteria, the standard/default scheme settings has NO RULES!

I don't care that you, or anyone else personally has an issue with piling in a video game.

The problem is that you are making incorrect statements which live outside reality! If you want to play without piling with anyone in a private match, that's fine! Though you need to be aware of actual facts otherwise you will get into arguments and fights with people online because you don't know the truth.

All you need to say is that you don't like piling in Hysteria and that you like playing with a few special rules added with your friends, and that's it, nobody would care, there wouldn't be cause for argument.

If you keep saying things like "Telecow" and "Dirty trick" which is literally delusional nonsense in the context of THIS LEAGUE! then I'll keep coming here and writing actual facts about actual official settings including the history of the game and things that ACTUALLY EXIST and constantly informing you that you are wrong:



For me, there is one type of hysteria that is played on TUS, with telecows; and another type of hysteria played on the Wormnet by in public host (there are very few of them, unfortunately).

Again:



There is NO SUCH THING AS TELECOW IN HYSTERIA ON TUS BECAUSE THERE ARE NO RULES!

The sooner you get this drilled into your head, the better!

When I played in the cup, in the group stage, I enjoyed the game. It doesn't matter who wins or loses. The players thought that telecow was a dirty trick and did not use it. As a result, we got a lot of fun from the game, I think.

I have no issue with this, because you worded it better, you specifically added in the keyword "thought".

Each player decides for himself whether to use telecow or not.

As I've said before... There are NO RULES IN HYSTERIA! so saying telecow just makes you look incredibly ignorant to the reality here.


In this case, it will be enough for you to refuse to help me with the cup so that I can not waste time and start the playoffs. I would like to leave TUS as soon as possible.

I am one of the few people who can separate a heated debate or argument from friendship.

I do not have any bad feelings towards you whatsoever, I just want you to see the truth, I'm trying to help you!

Last but not least, I will still help with the Cup stuff, I'm not that kind of guy who would abandon someone over a disagreement. That's what pathetic people do! :D

Offline Lancelot

Re: Game #238722, reported by TheWalrus
« Reply #23 on: October 11, 2023, 06:41 PM »
disagreements are part of our life, aren't they?

I don't understand why you all overreact to my point of view?  :D
« Last Edit: October 11, 2023, 06:43 PM by Lancelot »
   

Online MonkeyIsland

Re: Game #238722, reported by TheWalrus
« Reply #24 on: October 11, 2023, 08:09 PM »
@komo, Even though I myself agree with everything you said about Hysteria but your approach on discussing is over the top.

I will keep saying this to you until you get it drilled into your head

That is not really nice and you need to cool down.
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Re: Game #238722, reported by TheWalrus
« Reply #25 on: October 11, 2023, 08:37 PM »
I think every pro/experienced hysteria players should know when they start a hyst match that even though u make great bng shots and kill 3 worms while u still have 4, u might get rekt at the end cuz thats how the scheme works :D you never have a real advantage. only when u go down to 1 worm vs 1 worm at the end. there a lot other things you could put the blame on Lancy, wind strength, bouncing luck, f@#!ed by the pixel, sucky starting positions, all worms at bottom, petrolflame not spreading, etc :D those are the circumstances that can f@#! up a game, not unique rules about abusing worm rotation

so not many of you have actually watched the rounds that the guys played, but Lancelot also tried to jetsuicide in 2nd round, 3.01 ^.- so telecow and jetcow are vile but telesuicide and jetsuicide are in gentlemen codex? o:

Offline Lancelot

Re: Game #238722, reported by TheWalrus
« Reply #26 on: October 11, 2023, 09:39 PM »
I think every pro/experienced hysteria players should know when they start a hyst match that even though u make great bng shots and kill 3 worms while u still have 4, u might get rekt at the end cuz thats how the scheme works :D you never have a real advantage. only when u go down to 1 worm vs 1 worm at the end. there a lot other things you could put the blame on Lancy, wind strength, bouncing luck, f@#!ed by the pixel, sucky starting positions, all worms at bottom, petrolflame not spreading, etc :D those are the circumstances that can f@#! up a game, not unique rules about abusing worm rotation

so not many of you have actually watched the rounds that the guys played, but Lancelot also tried to jetsuicide in 2nd round, 3.01 ^.- so telecow and jetcow are vile but telesuicide and jetsuicide are in gentlemen codex? o:

after the first round, can you call the rest a decent game?  ;D

I stopped playing seriously here and trying to win after telecow from walrus in the first round

I am also grateful to the random placement of worms in the second round, it helped me finish the game faster, thx GOOOD vm ae

About the random placements, a few words...
I used to like Intermediate 10 years ago, but now I understand that the starting positions of the players’ worms decide a lot. And no bo3, bo5, etc. will balance this scheme. Only the elite scheme is worthy of attention.

That's all I wanted to say.
   

Offline Lancelot

Re: Game #238722, reported by TheWalrus
« Reply #27 on: October 11, 2023, 09:46 PM »
Lool Lancelot. I didn't know you were this new to TUS o0
In any case, it's a valid frustration. You just can't get any worse than the players who complain about Petrols being used all the time, these people are unbearable. :D

how could I miss this...

I would also make 5 petrols in the scheme, so that fans of this weapon would not be able to shoot me with them endlessly at auto-aim

Lol.

Yes, I have a little experience in the TUS league, but I haven’t lost anything, that I don’t know some things.
My nervous system is intact, for now, and partly due to my ignorance of some things here.
« Last Edit: October 11, 2023, 09:48 PM by Lancelot »
   

Offline TheKomodo

Re: Game #238722, reported by TheWalrus
« Reply #28 on: October 12, 2023, 01:20 AM »
I don't understand why you all overreact to my point of view?  :D

It would be a valid point of view if you weren't writing literal lies though.

You can't just write a lot of false information, and think you can get away with it. People who actually care about the game WILL fight you on it.

I'm using actual evidence and history to prove you wrong, and you're still not getting it...

That is not really nice and you need to cool down.

Hmm, over here it's a pretty common thing to say, it's just emphasis on the fact I need to repeat something over and over until they finally understand it.

Nothing I said feels like too much to me, I'm using giant letters and specific phrases to emphasis how important the points are, that's the intention anyway.

About the random placements, a few words...
I used to like Intermediate 10 years ago, but now I understand that the starting positions of the players’ worms decide a lot. And no bo3, bo5, etc. will balance this scheme. Only the elite scheme is worthy of attention.

So let me get this straight...

You understand that the random placement introduces luck, and you agree to counter that luck to do Bo3/Bo5 etc... Yet you want to do a complete 180 on that when it's Hysteria?

Also, there are many schemes "worthy of attention".


Offline sock

Re: Game #238722, reported by TheWalrus
« Reply #29 on: October 12, 2023, 03:16 AM »
It is a common phrase in America also. To drill it into your head is to know it by heart. Like green is go, yellow slow, red stop.